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Phuket condo owners warned 'holiday rentals' less than 30 days risks fines, jail time


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That is going to do the Condo market a lot of good. I assume the Thai's complained and are losing money.

Not only Thai's complaining. Expat condo owners ... including me ... don't like having non-owners/strangers in and out of their condo building. People who rent a condo apartment for only a few days are often very inconsiderate of the peace & quiet of other people in residence, as they often party late and loudly. They don't care if they piss off the next door neighbor because they'll be gone in a few days anyway.

We've had a problem lately ... because of airbnb ... in my Bangkok condo building. Fortunately the condo management has posted signs prohibiting short-term rentals, and the condo owners association has voted to fine fellow condo owners who don't abide.

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As someone who is in a long term rental I support this. The residents where I live have to put up with transient people who having adopted the 'but I'm on holiday so it doesn't matter' mode show little consideration for others.

Drunks in the pool at 4 am are a pain in the backside- they can sleep in all day, we live 'normal lives. Screaming kids running around the pool all day can get on the nerves as well. One badly behaved child can hold an entire complex hostage

People initially bought the condos where I live on the premise that they would be for residents, not transients. Most have changed hands now, with those purchasing them as investment and income opportunities. This is what the Gov't is clamping down on and I see nothing wrong with it.

Some people will regard me as a misery guts for posting the above but hotels are there for a reason. This is my HOME not a holiday, why should I have it disrupted by people who would not behave the same way when they are HOME.

Its a factor people forget when they start bellyaching and all they can come up with 'well, if you don't like it...............'.

I don't understand you. If you don't want to be around people, what are you doing in a condo? You should have bought/rented a house outside the city, away from other houses. You shouldn't be upset about children being noisy etc. if you are living in a condo community.

DISAGREE! Condos are normally regulated by management and Security, CCTV keeps an eye on all areas. There is reasonable regulation of noisy tenants, types of pets, and embargoes on noisy repairs etc on weekends.

Move to a house and it's unregulated, noisy dogs, karaoke, parties, burning rubbish.

On the rare occasion where short termers have slipped in, I've seen them IN the pool, glasses in hand, bottles on the edge.

Condos are not perfect all the time, but as others have said, it's where we live, and let hotels handle the tourists.

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As a matter of principle, I cannot support laws that reduce property rights.

They should have made rentals inconvenient by registration, tax collection, etc. but banning private short term rentals is not compatible with ownership.

What about the rights of the other condo owners who have to suffer the loud partying short-time vacation renters ... while the renting owner does't because he/she isn't in the building? It's not only about "your" rights, it's also about your fellow condo neighbors rights. But, obviously you've never experienced loud condo renters ... otherwise you'd sing a different song here.

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That is going to do the Condo market a lot of good. I assume the Thai's complained and are losing money.

Who cares about the condo market?

The whole concept of buying a condo for an investment or planning to rent it out on a daily basis is seriously flawed.

Most buy a condo as somewhere to live, or as an occasional holiday home.

Walking down the corridor to your home and hearing the screams and shouting from assorted girls, ladyboys and their clients is not so pleasant.

Good news .

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As a long time owner/operator of home rentals, I support this new rule,

A common thread here but stop your selfish narrow minded vies and consider this.

The same / similar laws in the south of europe to fight Air B&B that have become

so popular for people to rent out their spare room or apartment, many governments

French, Spanish and Portuguese have clamped down and threatening heavy fines

to people who don't get licenses,,, the resulting outcome is,,,

to comply with government regulations, you have to get a license to rent your property

that is similar to that of a Hotel, then suddenly you have to comply to the same laws

as a Hotel, fire safety, many inspections, alarms but not domestic but industrial, as an

example, one of the laws is that fire detectors must be hard wired to the fire station BUT

if there is a false alarm eg, you burn your steak and the fire truck comes to your home,,

false alarm = € 1000 fine,,, so well and good you might say, serves them right.

What i'm seeing is the lack of these short term rentals resulting in people not having the

spare cash to pay condo maintenance / repairs and now many people are not paying

their strata fees resulting in no maintenance for lifts and pools and gardens, so watch

out you could be next. Your much loved condo could fall to disrepair and value plummet,

then who will you blame.

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So a friend want to hire it for 2 weeks not possible. Incredible but not surprising considering were we are.

You have no idea what you`re on about or what`s involved.

The people that live in these condos full time, pay their maintenance dues each year and are generally good residents, must be taken into consideration. People invest a lot of money into these homes and then don`t expect to suddenly find themselves living in a short time motel complex. I am also certain that residents renting out in these ways nullifies the block insurance policies that can have serious repercussions for the people living there. If it were me I would be pressing the managing agent to clamp down hard on condo owners that breach the terms of the lease and agreements.

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I've always been renting a condotel room in jomtien for 2 - 3 weeks because arrive on 30day visa but spend 1 week in Bangkok doing business etc before & afterwards so how could a full 30days work when almost everybody doesn't stay a full month?

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always something new to amuse here in LOS, not renting, my friend stay for free, how on earth could such a rule even be enforced

Its one of those flavor of the month issues. In the news today business as usual tomorrow. I would presume this is a nation wide law. In our condo here in Chiang Mai its daily weekly rentals what is your desire. B2B anything goes.

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So a friend want to hire it for 2 weeks not possible. Incredible but not surprising considering were we are.

Rental contract one month, halve the rate, cash up front. Sorted.,

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Actually, this is not "total nonsense" at all.

This argument has been around for 24 years & revolves around the "Hotel Bed Tax" which all hotels pay.

The Hotel Association reluctantly agreed to this tax on the basis this law was enacted to prevent apartments being used as hotels

which many are doing in Bangkok & do not pay this tax obviously.

There was talk some 10 years ago about extending the minimum rental period to 3 months for "apartments".

Such as Thailand is with Government Departments not wanting to work after 5pm nor weekends this & many other laws

get left to the BIB who just use as a new car deposit or are too busy to enforce.

Stricter controls on notifications to police by owners of foreigners staying in these establishments might one day get aligned with this rule

which would make it more difficult to circumvent. Around the corner from me is a very large apartment building renting out by the night

up to 40% of their rooms (where the developer has purchased rooms themselves) & the Juristic Committee is always getting

bombarded with complaints about the noise & lack of respect by daily or weekly renters along with not paying a premium on

outgoings which they should be

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As someone who is in a long term rental I support this. The residents where I live have to put up with transient people who having adopted the 'but I'm on holiday so it doesn't matter' mode show little consideration for others.

Drunks in the pool at 4 am are a pain in the backside- they can sleep in all day, we live 'normal lives. Screaming kids running around the pool all day can get on the nerves as well. One badly behaved child can hold an entire complex hostage

People initially bought the condos where I live on the premise that they would be for residents, not transients. Most have changed hands now, with those purchasing them as investment and income opportunities. This is what the Gov't is clamping down on and I see nothing wrong with it.

Some people will regard me as a misery guts for posting the above but hotels are there for a reason. This is my HOME not a holiday, why should I have it disrupted by people who would not behave the same way when they are HOME.

Its a factor people forget when they start bellyaching and all they can come up with 'well, if you don't like it...............'.

Well said my friend. When a person is not a stakeholder, their views are often diluted with indifference...that is, until their slumber or privacy are endangered.

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As a matter of principle, I cannot support laws that reduce property rights.

They should have made rentals inconvenient by registration, tax collection, etc. but banning private short term rentals is not compatible with ownership.

What about the rights of the other condo owners who have to suffer the loud partying short-time vacation renters ... while the renting owner does't because he/she isn't in the building? It's not only about "your" rights, it's also about your fellow condo neighbors rights. But, obviously you've never experienced loud condo renters ... otherwise you'd sing a different song here.

Again, house rules are different. I fully support house rules and their enforcement, but I oppose general laws that burden everyone.

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