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Confusion as condo owners told they must have a work permit to rent out units

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wow, wow, and wow.  This brings up a whole lot of questions and issues. 

1:  Any rental implies you got income so should the foreigner that is renting out supposed to be paying Thai Taxes?

2:  Is renting out your unit considered a type of work.  Uh oh, if true.

3:  The article stressed less than 30 days.  So more than 30 days is OK? Why?

4:  This doesn't seem like something that would be isolated to just Phuket.  Thai financial and work permit laws would apply to other provinces too?

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19 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Ignore the quote in my post its a TV bug .

 

gk10002000

 

You havnt read the whole thread ? its an old thread and the minister for labor in Phuket has already made a statement but your gonna have to find it here ,there was also a separate thread  but that thread including this one are old news..

 

in short "no"

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Not sure about the taxes part, gk.  But if you are renting a condo for less than 30 days, whether you are in Phuket or Pattaya, you are violating the Thai Hotel Law.  Over 30 days and you are ok and don't need a work permit.  When you rent out a condo you are required to report the tenant's information to Immigration--but I doubt many of the people doing illegal short-term rentals are reporting the tenant information.

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22 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

If this wasn't OK by the condo committee, then, you would have heard something by now.

Too much money involved for any other residents to make a difference.

 

Life just ain't fair......

 

 

"Life just ain't fair......" - and it becomes a lot "unfairer" when you only own 49% of a condo you paid 100% for.  :)

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19 hours ago, newnative said:

I think it's better to purchase a condo that has already been built, Mr. Dark Lord.  Here's what I think are desirable attributes for a  Pattaya condo, ranked roughly in importance:  Seaview.  Foreign name.  High floor.  On or very close to baht taxi line.  Walking distance to the beach.  Minimum amenities of large pool, gym, and covered parking.  Usable balcony.  Quality of construction and maintenance.  Good room layout.  Name brand Thai developer.  The more of these you have, the more likely you will be able to sell the condo down the road.  If resale truly doesn't enter the picture, then purchase wherever you want.  

Hi guys,

 

thanks for for the input, very much appreciated. Having read considerably more in this forum wife and I thinking more along the second hand unit as described.

 

no rush as want to see what £ does moving forward.

 

i see a split in opinion ( on different threads) about purchasing property here. I suppose at the end it is up to us to decide but make an informed decision.

 

off topic I agree but this forum is cracking. Little bit of personal angst in some threads but overall highly informative and very useful.

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19 minutes ago, The Dark Lord said:

Hi guys,

 

thanks for for the input, very much appreciated. Having read considerably more in this forum wife and I thinking more along the second hand unit as described.

 

no rush as want to see what £ does moving forward.

 

i see a split in opinion ( on different threads) about purchasing property here. I suppose at the end it is up to us to decide but make an informed decision.

 

off topic I agree but this forum is cracking. Little bit of personal angst in some threads but overall highly informative and very useful.

 

First market prepay offers the best price, but you don't see what (if) is built.

 

Second market used to be quite a bit more expensive in the past. Not so sure these days as the property market is saturated  and many folks are ready to bail out at a loss.

 

It's a very split opinion buy or rent. Those of us with a Thai wife are likely in the buy camp. Those footloose and fancy free are likely in the rent camp. I've been an owner (well ... through wife or company) for 20 years, not so sure about that if I arrived here tomorrow as a newbie. Times have changed ..... a lot.

 

The personal angst if just part of forum personalities ...

 

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On ‎7‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 9:00 PM, NamKangMan said:

From what I have read, many condo owners doing this use the services of the onsite property manager (Thai) to arrange handing over the keys and cleaning the room, and/or, an agent (Thai).

The property managers and agents have full knowledge of what is going on.

Several places in Pattaya are definitely managed by the onsite property manager, Diana Oasis, two big places over by Soi Yamato.  So no doubt people know what is going on, now the question is what laws are actually on the books, and what will be enforced and how will it be enforced

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This is true. I have been reported by Phuket Palace Juristic Person Condominium Manager to the Labor Department. They came to me and informed me that a work permit is needed even if the condo is freehold, and gave me 2 weeks to rectify the situation or I might face a fine if the manager reports me again. I have an explanatory letter from the Labor department.

What would be interesting is to find out if the CONDOMINIUM MANAGER WILL ALSO BE FINED IF SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE DONE. In our case everybody renting or owner have to pay a fee for registration in the Fingerprint Equipment to open the entrance door so the office is informed how long people are renting the condos for. We do see Situations where tourists are using special codes given by the office to enter. There obviously can be many reasons for this. If anybody know about co-responsibility of Condo Manager, please let me know.

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This is true. I have been reported by Phuket Palace Juristic Person Condominium Manager to the Labor Department. They came to me and informed me that a work permit is needed even if the condo is freehold, and gave me 2 weeks to rectify the situation or I might face a fine if the manager reports me again. I have an explanatory letter from the Labor department.

What would be interesting is to find out if the CONDOMINIUM MANAGER WILL ALSO BE FINED IF SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE DONE. In our case everybody renting or owner have to pay a fee for registration in the Fingerprint Equipment to open the entrance door so the office is informed how long people are renting the condos for. We do see Situations where tourists are using special codes given by the office to enter. There obviously can be many reasons for this. If anybody know about co-responsibility of Condo Manager, please let me know.

It could be wise to start a new thread on this. As the previous post #412 is 18 months old.

 

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 I think you will need a work permit when the new rental law goes into effect if you are renting 5 or more condos.  The new law seems to have decided that if you are renting that many condos you are running a business.

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10 hours ago, jobwolf said:

This is true. I have been reported by Phuket Palace Juristic Person Condominium Manager to the Labor Department. They came to me and informed me that a work permit is needed even if the condo is freehold, and gave me 2 weeks to rectify the situation or I might face a fine if the manager reports me again. I have an explanatory letter from the Labor department.

What would be interesting is to find out if the CONDOMINIUM MANAGER WILL ALSO BE FINED IF SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE DONE. In our case everybody renting or owner have to pay a fee for registration in the Fingerprint Equipment to open the entrance door so the office is informed how long people are renting the condos for. We do see Situations where tourists are using special codes given by the office to enter. There obviously can be many reasons for this. If anybody know about co-responsibility of Condo Manager, please let me know.

The Condo Manager is not responsible for who stays in a private owner's condo unit because the Manager does not control, have duty, responsibility or authority who enters a private owner's unit. Each and every owner is responsible for their own unit.

 

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