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Re Kiss. The décor, and the prices, have gone up considerably. The only thing that hasn't changed is the lack of service, especially when trying to catch the eye of staff when wanting to pay the bill.

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21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I watched the clip, and noticed one important thing, pedestrians walking, not running, across the intersection. This was possible because all the drivers go SLOWLY and avoid each other. Seems far more sane than Pattaya where the drivers go so fast that one has to RUN to get across unharmed.

Would it work in LOS, where it seems that many drivers think they have a right to run pedestrians down for daring to walk on THEIR roads?

Very true and no, it would not work. Despite having easily 5 times a many bikes as Thailand, their sheer volume means that their speed is much less; there's just not enough space for some hoon to crack the twist throttle and do a zig-zag in and out of the gaps. Thus walking across even the busiest intersection is much easier as long as you don't look around, hesitate, stop or suddenly change direction; which are the basic rules to live by when crossing the road in LOS.

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12 hours ago, JSixpack said:

Chinese, Thais, Indians, Arabs, Russians! We all know they can't afford to eat at Kiss

I'm not sure if it's an affordability issue.I think some of these nationalities don't even like to try different cuisines and only stick to their own.especially most Arabs and Indians for cultural and religious reasons

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Just now, JSixpack said:

 

 

 

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Grrrr. Pollution, rats, trash, traffic,

no seats, no shade, no view, no butt wipes,

dirt, sandbags!


 

Meanwhile, the sun's coming out, cool season's upon us, and I and many others are finding Pattaya's not perfect but still a very nice place to be. Cheers from my fave barstool and the black-haired angels surrounding! :)

 

 

Im getting a little tired  of you associating me with above ^ photo, re sandbags.

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Photo on left 10 years ago. Gym photo last month. I have nothing to hide - how about you ???

Just curious what you look like ??

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2 hours ago, pattayadude said:

I'm not sure if it's an affordability issue.I think some of these nationalities don't even like to try different cuisines and only stick to their own.especially most Arabs and Indians for cultural and religious reasons

 

You may have a point but you see I'm invoking the TVF Poster Only Farangs Have Money rule of economics. It does correlate well with and help explain the "downhill" mentality.

 

If you wanna see it naked, go read Ruling out the foreigner (2003), the 17-page granddaddy "killing the goose" bash fest prompted by the news that after many years Thailand would dare raise visa fees. OMG. THIS WAS IT. The teeth gnashing, the hair pulling, the knickers twisting; the ranting, the wailing, the screaming, the anguish, the shock, the accusations of insanity, and of course the dire prophecies! No one would be left to shop in the malls, no one would buy condos, bar girls would disappear, and Thais would all have to return to work in rice paddies. Back to the Stone Age! Oh, it was gonna be a thousand million times worse than later prophecies of the total destruction of Pattaya tourism by widening Beach Road.

 

This led--unconsciously, to be sure--to what we might call the "standard model" of TVF economics. The model holds that the Thai economy started in the so-called Golden Era with the Primordial Fixed Pie, known technically to our most distinguished economists as Ur Pie (Ur Mince Pie to the Poms among them). Ur Pie contained all the vendors, all the shops, all the consumers, and all the money in Thailand--and all that there ever would be. Crucially, all the money had been provided by the benevolent Golden Egg Layers. They kept beer prices & bar fines low and ensured No Change, the fundamental principle of a successful economy that applies all the way down to the micro level of the small shop.

 

Then in 2003 came that disastrous Big Bang: the incredibly stupid, insane rise in visa fees that killed off so many of the Golden Egg Layers, the only engine of economic development! What few are left are moving to Cambodia etc.

 

In absence of the supremely important Golden Egg Layers, the Big Bang initiated The Great Splatter of the Primordial Fixed Pie into mere Slices thereafter perpetually fought & haggled over. Hence our economists always invoke Fixed Pie when dooming new malls, starting with Central World and Siam Paragon in Bangkok: not enough Slices to go around, as the Fixed Pie had never contained enough vendors, consumers, or money to support any new malls.

 

Part of the fun is laughing at these bigoted, ignorant, knee-jerk rules you so often read here. Someday I should list them all out w/ definitions and examples. :biggrin:

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16 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Im getting a little tired  of you associating me with above ^ photo, re sandbags.

 

Huh? But I wonder how you made that association. :) Too off-topic to enjoy, however. Lighten up!

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After being here for 2 weeks this trip I'm firmly of the belief that Pattaya is developing in the right direction and not the downhill spiral as many suggest it is. Many new hotels in sois off Beach Rd are replacing vacant land or derelect buildings, some  beer bars are being replaced by new buildings or restaurants and even a new very large shopping centre down near the Dolphin Roundabout on Second Rd. There are definitely many more couples, of all nationalities, holidaying here and the sleaze element is diminishing. Let's face it Pattaya will always be connected to the sex industry but it can be contained to certain areas and away from mainstream tourist areas.

As for myself I enjoy playing golf a couple of days a week here, the odd visit to a fishing park, a few beers with friends at night, a good hotel with excellent swimming pool and excellent food at very low prices compared to back home.

I am confident it won't be too many years before I can tell family/friends I'm off to Pattaya without the usual looks of consternation from them as to why I'm here.

Sorry sexpats and sex tourists I know this post won't please you but that's the way it is.

 

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US citizens pay taxes no matter where they live.  But, back on topic, yes, Pattaya is going downhill.  And yes, there are still positive things about the place.  I think the negatives have outweighed the positives since the end of the 90s (very end).

ah yes, tax on citizenship. I m happy to be an European. no residence, no tax, no report, no fbar, no fatca, total freedom.!

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On 23 November, 2016 at 0:53 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Re Kiss. The décor, and the prices, have gone up considerably. The only thing that hasn't changed is the lack of service, especially when trying to catch the eye of staff when wanting to pay the bill.

:smile:

 

I don't usually got here as its 'farang-ified' thai food….but i was most impressed some time ago with a simple omelette they made me.

 

I gave clear instructions on what I wanted in it….and how I didnt want it folded and soggy inside….and they got it 100% right.

 

 

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On 11/22/2016 at 6:23 PM, Awohalitsiktoli said:

The so called "whingers" (whiners/complainers) are often engaged in "positive negativism".  They are trying to reflect reality and want to point out a problem with the hope of it being recognized as a problem and corrected. 

 

No, just useless whinging and trying to put lipstick on your own pig, to use TVF Poster metaphor. Let thaibeachlovers explain for you:

 

On 11/25/2016 at 0:05 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

You KNOW the way it is, yet you still live in LOS. I find it strange that you think it will change if enough farangs complain about it, or perhaps you just like complaining about things as they are without being able to do anything to change it.

 

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53 minutes ago, Flanno said:

After being here for 2 weeks this trip I'm firmly of the belief that Pattaya is developing in the right direction and not the downhill spiral as many suggest it is. Many new hotels in sois off Beach Rd are replacing vacant land or derelect buildings, some  beer bars are being replaced by new buildings or restaurants and even a new very large shopping centre down near the Dolphin Roundabout on Second Rd. There are definitely many more couples, of all nationalities, holidaying here and the sleaze element is diminishing. Let's face it Pattaya will always be connected to the sex industry but it can be contained to certain areas and away from mainstream tourist areas.

As for myself I enjoy playing golf a couple of days a week here, the odd visit to a fishing park, a few beers with friends at night, a good hotel with excellent swimming pool and excellent food at very low prices compared to back home.

I am confident it won't be too many years before I can tell family/friends I'm off to Pattaya without the usual looks of consternation from them as to why I'm here.

Sorry sexpats and sex tourists I know this post won't please you but that's the way it is.

 

 

I see nothing displeasing to sexpats and sex tourists there. Pattaya has been expanding its market and, as I've often said, offers something for everybody. I mean, if you're not too delicate, as with many posters chiming in on these DEATH threads. It's not a place for snowflakes and fussy old ladies, having to reel daily from shock to horror, poor dears. And you'll need more money now than you did 20 years ago. ;)

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44 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

I see nothing displeasing to sexpats and sex tourists there. Pattaya has been expanding its market and, as I've often said, offers something for everybody. I mean, if you're not too delicate, as with many posters chiming in on these DEATH threads. It's not a place for snowflakes and fussy old ladies, having to reel daily from shock to horror, poor dears. And you'll need more money now than you did 20 years ago. ;)

If you go back and read the original post a big part of it was bemoaning the higher cost of bar fines and the 'industry' in general. It had about 15 likes so plenty here agreed with him.

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38 minutes ago, Flanno said:

If you go back and read the original post a big part of it was bemoaning the higher cost of bar fines and the 'industry' in general. It had about 15 likes so plenty here agreed with him.

 

Exactly. So many of the moans would cease if the cheap hotel and bf prices had just adhered to No Change. But after a metric so critical to a member's happiness goes south then he finds imperfection just everywhere. Suddenly--potholes!

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I can't believe some posters go on and on and on and on like the energizer rabbit.

Being happy in whatever city or country you live in a is subjective and based on or influenced by personal feelings, good and bad experiences,tastes or opinion and even those  can change over time or aging and it's perfectly normal.

We are talking "humans" here.

A new shopping centre  by the dolphin square may please some and it's the end of the road for others.

Some wouldn't be caught dead in that  2nd road restaurant and for others it's like a daily visit to a sacred place or shrine.

For some Pattaya is going uphill, for some others it's going downhill.

I believe this topic is exhausted and some posters are just repeating themselves over and over and over.

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