Khao Sarn Road beating: British tourists get compensation, Thai bouncers jail

[Monkeyrobot]

3 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So it was perfectly ok for the tourists to do this. Not. First they broke the rules of the bar which are reasonable and second acting like spoiled thugs in the toilets. They shouldn't have got one Baht and the bouncers shouldn't have been fired.

That's if you believe the bouncers story, why throw a beer around , waste of good beer. Just drink it. The bouncers will be back at work next week. 

[FunkyDunky58]

Whether the Brits were drunk, arrogant, <deleted> or whatever other label armchair critics want to throw at them, the reason establishments have bouncers is to deal with such people. But in any respectable place the bouncers will be schooled in how to end any altercation peacefully, perhaps ultimately ending with the law being called. No matter how much of an '<deleted>' a customer is, there is NO defence for two men brutally kicking a man continually while he is down and defenceless. That makes them thugs and not professional bouncers. The punishment is extremely lenient.

[Winniedapu]

1 hour ago, Rob13 said:

 

 

So you think the Brits were well behaved and did nothing to provoke the bouncers?

 

 

A small matter of the law here. Provocation is no excuse for violent assault. Even in Thai law.

 

Winnie

[lungnorm]

The two names of the British tourists sound like they are not British, they sound like your average <deleted> names.

[dcnx]

Who throws perfectly good beer?

[Winniedapu]

2 hours ago, eggers said:

Agree totally, the tourists were asking for trouble, they got it & why should they be treated as "victims" in all of this?? Should have been deported & treatment of bouncers should be reviewed..

 

 

Here's a little-known fact:

 

15% of people will believe whatever they hear or read, without further thought being involved.

 

Winnie

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So it was perfectly ok for the tourists to do this. Not. First they broke the rules of the bar which are reasonable and second acting like spoiled thugs in the toilets. They shouldn't have got one Baht and the bouncers shouldn't have been fired.

Something not right here, two Thais take on four tourists?? no, that can't be. But if that's true what was reported, then

I agree with you completely.

[phycokiller]

Ive thrown undrinkable draft beer in the toilet a few times, I was advised to do it by Thais who said it would be resold if I didnt

[Global Guy]

1 hour ago, Agent Sumo said:

 

Oh what do you know about it? You weren't there so you can't say if the beer-throwing was made up or not

I doubt you get out to clubs much because, if you did, you'd see what farang louts get up to. 

They weren't running away - they planted their feet and engaged the bouncers.

They shouldn't have received a satang

 

So you think beer being spilled or thrown justifies chasing someone outside of their workplace and assaulting them repeatedly? Sounds like beaten child syndrome. Always blame the victim. Do a little studying on escalation of force. That way if someone spills beer on you in public you won't go on a rage and assault them too.

[Jim walker]

2000 Baht and a 12 month suspended sentence not bad for attempted murder you don't kick someone in the head who is on the ground unless you want to kill them 

[Rob13]

17 minutes ago, Winniedapu said:

Provocation is no excuse for violent assault. Even in Thai law.

 

 

And yet there was violence. What do you make of that?

[silent]

4 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So it was perfectly ok for the tourists to do this. Not. First they broke the rules of the bar which are reasonable and second acting like spoiled thugs in the toilets. They shouldn't have got one Baht and the bouncers shouldn't have been fired.

 

I believe everything I read now too.

[TSF]

It doesn't matter if tourists get drunk and rowdy, Thais must stop beating the crap out of foreigners and putting them in hospital over situations that could easily be defused. A security man/bouncer has the right to use only necessary force to protect himself and restrain a rowdy drunk customer...not kick his brains out.

[Laza 45]

..they should have put the drunken pricks on a plane and sent them back where they come from...

 

[spidermike007]

Again the famous Thai justice system is handing out fines and sentences that will teach the people to behave properly. Another powerful judge. LOL. Who are these guys? Is there a single judge in this country with cajones? A two month suspended sentence, and a $57 dollar fine? What can one even say? Yes, the Brits behaved poorly. But, these bouncers were pretty atrocious in their reaction. They gave these guys a good beatdown, it was caught on camera, there were a dozen witnesses or more, and the only consequence they face is losing their jobs? They probably got another job the next morning. 

 

This has to be one of the weakest judicial system on earth. It sometimes seems as if every judge in this country is hellbent on making sure nobody learns anything, ever. Another boil on the face of Thai justice. Another story gone viral about beatdowns of foreigners. And another example of how tone deaf the current batch of leaders are, when it comes to tourism. 

 

The bouncers were thug punks, who ganged up on these guys. Do it like a man and assault them one on one. No, they do the coward group thing, once again. And they get away with it. Once again. 

 

And the headline is incorrect. It says Thai bouncers jail. Not jail. A suspended sentence is NOT JAIL! 

[ClutchClark]

10 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Something not right here, two Thais take on four tourists?? no, that can't be. But if that's true what was reported, then

I agree with you completely.

 

There were atleast four bouncers active and one in the foreground of camera with small black item in right hand who does not engage. There is also a skinny Thai with a yellow shirt who swings several times with a plastic stool and who is seen walking past the camera and using his hat to hide his face. He looks to have just wanted a chance to fight some farang and was not in bouncer uniform. 

 

 

 

 

[Winniedapu]

2 hours ago, Rob13 said:

 

 

So you think the Brits were well behaved and did nothing to provoke the bouncers?

 

 

I don't think you'll find the law says "you shall not violently assault people unless they provoke you". If you don't know how to deal with provocation, you shouldn't be a bouncer in a club. End of really... should be in prison. If 2 British bouncers beat up and kicked a Thai like this, would they get a suspended sentence?

 

Winnie

[Rob13]

1 minute ago, Winniedapu said:

If 2 British bouncers beat up and kicked a Thai like this, would they get a suspended sentence?

 

 

TIT

[Eligius]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Again the famous Thai justice system is handing out fines and sentences that will teach the people to behave properly. Another powerful judge. LOL. Who are these guys? Is there a single judge in this country with cajones? A two month suspended sentence, and a $57 dollar fine? What can one even say? Yes, the Brits behaved poorly. But, these bouncers were pretty atrocious in their reaction. They gave these guys a good beatdown, it was caught on camera, there were a dozen witnesses or more, and the only consequence they face is losing their jobs? They probably got another job the next morning. 

 

This has to be one of the weakest judicial system on earth. It sometimes seems as if every judge in this country is hellbent on making sure nobody learns anything, ever. Another boil on the face of Thai justice. Another story gone viral about beatdowns of foreigners. And another example of how tone deaf the current batch of leaders are, when it comes to tourism. 

 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Again the famous Thai justice system is handing out fines and sentences that will teach the people to behave properly. Another powerful judge. LOL. Who are these guys? Is there a single judge in this country with cajones? A two month suspended sentence, and a $57 dollar fine? What can one even say? Yes, the Brits behaved poorly. But, these bouncers were pretty atrocious in their reaction. They gave these guys a good beatdown, it was caught on camera, there were a dozen witnesses or more, and the only consequence they face is losing their jobs? They probably got another job the next morning. 

 

This has to be one of the weakest judicial system on earth. It sometimes seems as if every judge in this country is hellbent on making sure nobody learns anything, ever. Another boil on the face of Thai justice. Another story gone viral about beatdowns of foreigners. And another example of how tone deaf the current batch of leaders are, when it comes to tourism. 

Well said, Spidermike007. Excellent post.

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, Eligius said:

 

Well said, Spidermike007. Excellent post.

 

 

thank you. I just amended it and added:

 

The bouncers were thug punks, who ganged up on these guys. Do it like a man and assault them one on one. No, they do the coward group thing, once again. And they get away with it. Once again. 

 

And the headline is incorrect. It says Thai bouncers jail. Not jail. A suspended sentence is NOT JAIL! 

[Winniedapu]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

<snip> This has to be one of the weakest judicial system on earth. It sometimes seems as if every judge in this country is hellbent on making sure nobody learns anything, ever. Another boil on the face of Thai justice. Another story gone viral about beatdowns of foreigners. And another example of how tone deaf the current batch of leaders are, when it comes to tourism. 

 

And the headline is incorrect. It says Thai bouncers jail. Not jail. A suspended sentence is NOT JAIL! 

 

It's not a weak judicial system, it's a strong judicial system based on French and British Common Law. It's just not applied if you're a foreigner or a redshirt or if you have money for a 'small gift'. The real problem with Thai jurisprudence is the lack of a jury system and the lack of basic education in principles.

 

Winnie

[spidermike007]

Just now, Winniedapu said:

 

It's not a weak judicial system, it's a strong judicial system. It's just not applied if you're a foreigner or a redshirt or if you have money for a 'small gift'.

 

Winnie

 

 

A strong judicial system is one that cannot be easily bought, influenced, or swayed to a partisan objective by the federal government. This system fulfills none of those criteria. Only the very poor, and the people without any power, influence, connections, or ability to employ a good legal team go to prison here. Period. End of story. Seriously weak judges. It is a system that utterly and completely fails it's people, on a daily basis. 

 

Corruption in the judiciary is a significant risk for businesses operating in Thailand. The legal system does not function as a deterrence to corruption and litigants sometimes influence judgments through extra-legal means, including bribes (ICS 2015). Only few public officials have been effectively prosecuted on corruption charges, which have led to a decrease in public trust in the judiciary (BTI 2014).

 

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/east-asia-the-pacific/thailand/show-all.aspx

 

[Winniedapu]

20 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

And yet there was violence. What do you make of that?

 

20 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

And yet there was violence. What do you make of that?

 

I infer that Thai jurisprudence is either incompetent or corrupt or both. Unfortunately, there is little consistency in judgments by judges (who are not required to have prior training as a lawyer, they are civil servants, and we are surely all aware that the Thai bureacracy is corrupt from bottom to top?).

 

There is no jury system, nor any system of precedents in Thai jurisprudence which might ensure similar judgments from all judges. The answer as to why, is readily apparent from non-Thai history or historical books.

[Eligius]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

 

 

A strong judicial system is one that cannot be easily bought, influenced, or swayed to a partisan objective by the federal government. This system fulfills none of those criteria. Only the very poor, and the people without any power, influence, connections, or ability to employ a good legal team go to prison here. Period. End of story. Seriously weak judges. It is a system that utterly and completely fails it's people, on a daily basis. 

 

Corruption in the judiciary is a significant risk for businesses operating in Thailand. The legal system does not function as a deterrence to corruption and litigants sometimes influence judgments through extra-legal means, including bribes (ICS 2015). Only few public officials have been effectively prosecuted on corruption charges, which have led to a decrease in public trust in the judiciary (BTI 2014).

 

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/east-asia-the-pacific/thailand/show-all.aspx

 

You are right, Spidermike007; but I think Winnie means that this system is 'strong' (brutal) towards those who are not its favoured bedfellows!

[Rob13]

Just now, Winniedapu said:

I infer that Thai jurisprudence is either incompetent or corrupt or both.

 

 

Doubt you'll get many arguing that point

[Eligius]

3 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

 

Doubt you'll get many arguing that point

Correct! Anyone who tried to argue against this point would have to be blind, deaf - and stupid (or corrupt!).

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, Eligius said:

You are right, Spidermike007; but I think Winnie means that this system is 'strong' (brutal) towards those who are not its favoured bedfellows!

 

 

I suppose you are right. Strong only with those members of society that are detested by both the elite and the government. That means the hard working masses, the poor, the unprotected, the ones without power, influence, family name, political office, police connections, or the wrong political party. Or cash. I agree with alot of what Winnie has to say, though we do disagree from time to time. But, in this case, this is not the definition of a strong judiciary. Just simply one with the capacity to impose harsh sentences on people it has been directed to prosecute harshly. 

[Winniedapu]

22 minutes ago, TSF said:

It doesn't matter if tourists get drunk and rowdy, Thais must stop beating the crap out of foreigners and putting them in hospital over situations that could easily be defused. A security man/bouncer has the right to use only necessary force to protect himself and restrain a rowdy drunk customer...not kick his brains out.

 

 

Here, you missed a bit.

 

"It doesn't matter if tourists get drunk and rowdy, Thais must stop beating the crap out of foreigners and then wailing and gnashing their teeth that tourists stop coming."

 

Winnie

[Eligius]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

 

 

I suppose you are right. Strong only with those members of society that are detested by both the elite and the government. That means the hard working masses, the poor, the unprotected, the ones without power, influence, family name, political office, police connections, or the wrong political party. Or cash. I agree with alot of what Winnie has to say, though we do disagree from time to time. But, in this case, this is not the definition of a strong judiciary. Just simply one with the capacity to impose harsh sentences on people it has been directed to prosecute harshly. 

Again - eloquently and powerfully put, Spidermike007!

[Shawn0000]

4 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

So it was perfectly ok for the tourists to do this. Not. First they broke the rules of the bar which are reasonable and second acting like spoiled thugs in the toilets. They shouldn't have got one Baht and the bouncers shouldn't have been fired.

 

So you are saying it is perfectly reasonable for a bouncer to beat someone with a metal bar as they cower on the floor if that person is guilty of purposely spilling beer on the toilets?  What world do you live in?