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9 minutes ago, Gary A said:

 

I think the 250,000 baht estimate for 100 meters is far closer than your 47,000 baht MONTHLY labor estimate. How do you come up with a monthly labor estimate? I don't remember the cost of our materials but the material was far more expensive than the labor. A year or so ago, I saw about a forty meter wall built with cheap labor fall over. You get what you pay for. My friends here were making bets about how long the wall would stand up. The first hard rain, the whole wall fell over.  My "expensive" built wall is still standing. It has a few cracks but not many. The 40 meter retaining portion has no cracks. If you knew my Thai wife, you would know for sure that she doesn't pay more than a reasonable rate. One post that quoted 35,000 baht would NOT pay for the material.

simple 4 people to build our wall cost 100.000 around 60.000 for materials and 40.000 to pay the workers as it took them a little under a month if you paid 250.000 you should have paid the 60.000 the same for materials and 190.000 for the workers say if you had 4 and it took a little under a month. If you like I can break everything down further about the price of posts, blocks, cement, sand etc. 250.000 baht for 100m you have been swizzled.

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6 hours ago, Naam said:

i was waiting for that, took quite long :)

 

So you mean that you didn't make an error but were just testing us?

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Whatever you do, make sure you put in those weep holes if you are using bessa block bricks and rendering the wall or it will go over as ours did on both sides, irregardless of how deep those foundations are.

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6 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Whatever you do, make sure you put in those weep holes if you are using bessa block bricks and rendering the wall or it will go over as ours did on both sides, irregardless of how deep those foundations are.

 

You mean : your wall has fallen down ?

If that is the case , it has nothing to do with rendering . Rendering makes the wall stronger sure , but it does not prevent a wall falling over . That has to do with foundation and possibly weep holes . Like stated before , if land is raised then you need a bit different approach , and the more it is raised to more difficult and expensive it gets . The raised land will push hard on the wall and if nothing is done to release the pressure , your wall is going to fall over . when it is only a little bit and not to long distance , you can go with weep holes alone . This drains the land of water , making the total load on the wall less. If raised more then 50cm (in general ) , this is not enough anymore , so extra strenghtening is required on the wall itself and the foundation . The story there is that it will get more complicated and more expensive fast the higher the land is .

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9 hours ago, sezze said:

 

You mean : your wall has fallen down ?

If that is the case , it has nothing to do with rendering . Rendering makes the wall stronger sure , but it does not prevent a wall falling over . That has to do with foundation and possibly weep holes . Like stated before , if land is raised then you need a bit different approach , and the more it is raised to more difficult and expensive it gets . The raised land will push hard on the wall and if nothing is done to release the pressure , your wall is going to fall over . when it is only a little bit and not to long distance , you can go with weep holes alone . This drains the land of water , making the total load on the wall less. If raised more then 50cm (in general ) , this is not enough anymore , so extra strenghtening is required on the wall itself and the foundation . The story there is that it will get more complicated and more expensive fast the higher the land is .

 

Yes the land was raised quite high and the length is 45 metres, the foundations were deep and extra steel was put inwards to the land tied with concrete polls, but as this was 10 years ago and we had to go back to Australia mid point of the build, we didn't get to inspect the weep holes which would have helped somewhat, but you live and learn, as you say, it more complicated because its been filled and is higher on one side, about 10 metres, the other about a metre, and the rear about 2 metres which is still standing, but with the downpour during rain season at the time, continuous for days on, possibly a couple of weeks, over she went, best part of 240,000 baht gone, nothing to cry about, at least the house is still standing as is the front fence, which is level to the road and the rear fence as previously mentioned.

 

Looking at a different approaches now and of course the least expensive, perhaps some big rocks pushed into the land ?

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On 2/9/2559 at 3:01 PM, bark said:

According to Donald Trump; if you use Mexican Labor.

They will build it for you; and also pay all costs.

Try sunrise Taco, many restaurants in Bangkok.

 

Also wanted to add. The food is also great !

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The 40 meter retaining portion of our wall has 2 inch PVC through the wall at ground level every few meters. The outside also has what I would call outriggers poured into the foundation in several places and are at the outside ground level in several places. They are now covered with dirt and cannot be seen. I wouldn't want cowboys building a wall for me. The approximately 40 meter wall the I previously mentioned looked well built but the foundation was way too shallow and narrow. When the wall fell over, It all went down in one piece.

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4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Yes the land was raised quite high and the length is 45 metres, the foundations were deep and extra steel was put inwards to the land tied with concrete polls, but as this was 10 years ago and we had to go back to Australia mid point of the build, we didn't get to inspect the weep holes which would have helped somewhat, but you live and learn, as you say, it more complicated because its been filled and is higher on one side, about 10 metres, the other about a metre, and the rear about 2 metres which is still standing, but with the downpour during rain season at the time, continuous for days on, possibly a couple of weeks, over she went, best part of 240,000 baht gone, nothing to cry about, at least the house is still standing as is the front fence, which is level to the road and the rear fence as previously mentioned.

 

Looking at a different approaches now and of course the least expensive, perhaps some big rocks pushed into the land ?

 

If you want a wall , google "french drain" , which you more then probably need to keep the weep holes free , and work better then them .

Big rocks will do also , but maybe the sand will wash away . and it can go fast with a few big rains. I do not know prices of these rocks , but i do not think they are not cheap also . 

Alternatives for keeping the land inside is a sloping approach , where your land is raised not as much at the borders and higher in the middle and some special grass 

. As far as i see your story , a french drain or similar technique needs to be put in place , sloping it and drainage at lowest point or not sloping with wall or similar , you absolutely a good drainage system .

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3 hours ago, sezze said:

 

If you want a wall , google "french drain" , which you more then probably need to keep the weep holes free , and work better then them .

Big rocks will do also , but maybe the sand will wash away . and it can go fast with a few big rains. I do not know prices of these rocks , but i do not think they are not cheap also . 

Alternatives for keeping the land inside is a sloping approach , where your land is raised not as much at the borders and higher in the middle and some special grass 

. As far as i see your story , a french drain or similar technique needs to be put in place , sloping it and drainage at lowest point or not sloping with wall or similar , you absolutely a good drainage system .

 

Appreciate the heads up, I am going to go the Gabion way, see link with photo's, I can build these cages myself as opposed to paying 500 baht per cage, then all I have to do is get the rocks and load them in, and as I calculate that I need 3 cages high x 1 metre each by the length of the land, 40 metres on one side and 1 metre x 30 cages and 2 x 10 cages on the other side, I will be saving about 80,000 baht sfter tasking out materials to build the cages, and as I am already down the original cost of 240,000 baht 10 years ago to build the fence including front and rear boundaries which are still standing, I don't want to have to spend money on it all over again if you know what I mean, this approach I believe will work and at minimal expense, e.g. cost of concrete galvanised mesh, tie wire and a lot of labour on mine and my wife's part.  

 

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=gabion+wall+design&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_odj8-_fOAhVEp48KHZ0OAUEQsAQIJQ

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9 hours ago, Gary A said:

The 40 meter retaining portion of our wall has 2 inch PVC through the wall at ground level every few meters. The outside also has what I would call outriggers poured into the foundation in several places and are at the outside ground level in several places. They are now covered with dirt and cannot be seen. I wouldn't want cowboys building a wall for me. The approximately 40 meter wall the I previously mentioned looked well built but the foundation was way too shallow and narrow. When the wall fell over, It all went down in one piece.

250.000 for a wall that's cracking and you wouldn't want cowboys building your wall? What a hoot.

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Ooo wa ooo wa ooo wa wa wa, ooo wa ooo wa ooo wa wa wa [higher] ooo ooo wa wa wa wa [lower] ooo wa ooo wa ooo wa wa [flat]!!!!!!!:)

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Thanks for all the information - will work my way through shortly.  Couple of additional questions:

1) Which is best?  Preformed posts or ones hand built with wire/cement - bearing in mind the land is nearly 1m higher than neighbours. Any cost comparison?

2) Any thoughts on how much the foundations would cost, given the above.

3) Any thoughts on cement/sand costs for the 100m wall.

 

thanks

 

 

btw I am based in Uk, the wall is for my wife's parents prior to building a house.

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Why do people use the posts when building garden walls? Ive just built a large boundry wall about 2 rai perimiter, using block pillars and expansion joints, the thais never seen such like and kept asking if it would fall down.

 

The materials compared to the west approx two thirds cheaper, but the blocks with the holes in are to be honest crap, couldnt find a solid block, but that was in buriram.

 

Local labour 250 baht a day, but not a brain between them, cant be left unsupervised as will make a mess of the simplest task again

thai knows best. 

 

The only building trowels they sell in the whole of buriram are what i call pointing trowels about as much use as a small spoon.

 

I personally given what i saw when using thai workers, wouldnt let them build a man hole never mind proper construction. 

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7 hours ago, manxninja said:

Why do people use the posts when building garden walls? Ive just built a large boundry wall about 2 rai perimiter, using block pillars and expansion joints, the thais never seen such like and kept asking if it would fall down.

 

The materials compared to the west approx two thirds cheaper, but the blocks with the holes in are to be honest crap, couldnt find a solid block, but that was in buriram.

 

Local labour 250 baht a day, but not a brain between them, cant be left unsupervised as will make a mess of the simplest task again

thai knows best. 

 

The only building trowels they sell in the whole of buriram are what i call pointing trowels about as much use as a small spoon.

 

I personally given what i saw when using thai workers, wouldnt let them build a man hole never mind proper construction. 

Yawn so hi so another excuse to thai bash and feel superior. The rate by the way for a days labour is 350 bht guess you prefer slaves

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