halloween Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, SOUTHERNSTAR said: Have you ever heard about people that died due to liver damage after receiving CPR except this case ? The autopsy can also determine if the liver got damaged before or after death. If it was damage before death there would be a lot of blood in and around the liver if it was damaged after death there would be no or little bleeding. So if he was hit or kicked before death there will be signs of bleeding if it was due to CPR there will be no or little bleeding. Elementary dear Watson. You don't die from a ruptured liver, you die from the internal bleeding it causes. Has it occurred to any of the many conspiracy theorists that if they wanted to kill the man there are plenty of ways to do it with far less indications of violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 It's obvious what happened. He was walking carelessly around his cell when he was hit by a car which ruptured his liver. The pain was so bad he decided to hang himself. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 8 hours ago, webfact said: "The family believes in the autopsy result and does not want to file any complaint against the DSI" Smart family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabula Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I would be careful what you post regarding this article with the new Thai Internet laws! Most countries now have very strick, new, comprehensive, Internet content laws. You don't want red flag tags when applying for a visa extension or worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Horribly obvious what is going on here. One can only feel for the family who are clearly too scared to other than accept the official version of events. I wouldn't worry too much about the family and their feelings. They've very likely enjoyed the benefits of this guy's corruption leading to the destruction of the environment down here for many years now. Wat, cremation, BIG pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 So, we can safely assume that they now know where he hid the loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 hours ago, halloween said: You don't die from a ruptured liver, you die from the internal bleeding it causes. Has it occurred to any of the many conspiracy theorists that if they wanted to kill the man there are plenty of ways to do it with far less indications of violence? No but your post will prompt many to consider there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING those who are propagandists for Thailand's current government will not stoop to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 And the first article with comments from the dsi said, now that he is dead there is no need to investigate illegal land transactions in his area , the case will close. The first question in an investigation. What is the motive? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, jayboy said: No but your post will prompt many to consider there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING those who are propagandists for Thailand's current government will not stoop to defend. What has this to do with the current government? Given the medical evidence provided in the link post #21 where liver damage occurred during CPR in a hospital, is pointing out the lack of justification for leaps into fantasy unwarranted? Or are you just taking another off topic cheap shot at another poster while offering to add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the discussion, as usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 With a ruptured liver the guy would hardly be able to sign his winning lottery ticket. What was the famous song line again: "Oh, I hang high with a little help from my friends?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 ""We only found traces on the detention room door that the suspect used his socks to hang himself on the door hinge," Thawatchai said." Look at the picture of the back of the cell door, one could not attach anything to that kind of hinge, especially not a sock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 28 minutes ago, halloween said: What has this to do with the current government? Given the medical evidence provided in the link post #21 where liver damage occurred during CPR in a hospital, is pointing out the lack of justification for leaps into fantasy unwarranted? Or are you just taking another off topic cheap shot at another poster while offering to add ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the discussion, as usual? Forum members will look at your disgusting post and draw their own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Odd. I didn't know that hanging yourself by your socks could damage your liver and cause internal bleeding. Live and learn I suppose... those nice policemen know about that sort of thing. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 Cremation of land-deed suspect indefinitely postponed The Nation BANGKOK: -- A brother of a suspect in an illegal land-deed registration case said the cremation of the suspect’s body will be indefinitely postponed pending autopsy’s result. Chainarong Anukul, a younger brother of Tawatchai Anukul, said Thawatchai's body will be kept until an autopsy result was offcially issue by the Forensic Medicine Institute of the Police Hospital. Chainarong said he suspected irregularities in the death of Thawatchai who allegedly hanged himself with a sock inside a detention at the Department of Special Investigation. A preliminary checking found that Tawatchai had ruptured liver that appeared to be caused by a blunt object. Chainarong said the Forensic Medicine Institute would take about 45 days before issuing an official autopsy result. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Cremation-of-land-deed-suspect-indefinitely-postpo-30294274.html -- © Copyright The Nation 2016-09-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakeopete Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Well they couldn't wait for blood poisoning it would take far to long and he may start talking. Besides the police would lose face using the army's modus operandi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTHERNSTAR Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 hours ago, halloween said: You don't die from a ruptured liver, you die from the internal bleeding it causes. Has it occurred to any of the many conspiracy theorists that if they wanted to kill the man there are plenty of ways to do it with far less indications of violence? Yes like I said if he was hit or kicked there will be a lot of bleeding in the area of his rapturesd liver. Thats why it should be easy to know if he was killed or commited suicide, without having to go into conspiracy theories. But you should acknowledge that even if it was clear that prisoners was tortured it didnt deter police from using violence in the past as they know they are above the law. Remember the guy that was involved in a certain park and suddenly died of a medical condition he didnt suffer from a couple of days before. There are so many cases of official brutality in the country that it makes it clear that there is no rule of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 ...sorry but a load of crock it sounds like..... ....when there is a death....just look at those that have 'motive'...... ...overlooking the obvious..... ...wow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jogden Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 4 hours ago, SOUTHERNSTAR said: Have you ever heard about people that died due to liver damage after receiving CPR except this case ? The autopsy can also determine if the liver got damaged before or after death. If it was damage before death there would be a lot of blood in and around the liver if it was damaged after death there would be no or little bleeding. So if he was hit or kicked before death there will be signs of bleeding if it was due to CPR there will be no or little bleeding. Elementary dear Watson. Ok Shirlock calm down. The stuff I typed was in regard to the unnamed Dr Somchi that said the liver is not near the heart. Nothing else. Do carry on telling us all what you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook23 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Socks and Thai men. An interesting combination. Remember that weirdo sniffing a sock in public. Imagine such people have power!!!! Freaky... Luckily Thailand is in good sane innocent hands. 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 "...the Forensic Medicine Institute would take about 45 days before issuing an official autopsy result...". Seems like a long, long time to produce a result. They must be either very, very thorough, or incredibly slow. If the latter, one hopes it's not because of a deliberate attempt (by DSI) to pervert the course of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 8 hours ago, pookiki said: Suicide by sock it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 3 hours ago, waldroj said: "...the Forensic Medicine Institute would take about 45 days before issuing an official autopsy result...". Seems like a long, long time to produce a result. They must be either very, very thorough, or incredibly slow. If the latter, one hopes it's not because of a deliberate attempt (by DSI) to pervert the course of justice. Should just employ the BIB experts, 5 minutes to ascertain suicide. Case closed - what's for lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said: Is that a veiled threat? Nah! Just another expert on all things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 22 hours ago, halloween said: You don't die from a ruptured liver, you die from the internal bleeding it causes. Has it occurred to any of the many conspiracy theorists that if they wanted to kill the man there are plenty of ways to do it with far less indications of violence? ruptured livers bleed profusely so unless there is a rapid and successful intervention to control it. seems you cannot separate one from the other. if a person jumps from the 20th floor it is not the fall that kills him?? but the interaction with concrete?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, atyclb said: ruptured livers bleed profusely so unless there is a rapid and successful intervention to control it. seems you cannot separate one from the other. if a person jumps from the 20th floor it is not the fall that kills him?? but the interaction with concrete?? Well you just did. Or did you not say that " rapid and successful intervention" to control bleeding can prevent death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 he may have been strangled to silence him then they did cpr to acting out attempted rescue. misplaced and or chest compressions too deep or forcefully could rupture a liver. its in the medical literature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 38 minutes ago, halloween said: Well you just did. Or did you not say that " rapid and successful intervention" to control bleeding can prevent death? so how would you word the death certificate then ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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