n210mp Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The reason that IMO they are using larger aircraft is becasue of many issues but mainly has go to do with the economy of volume and the ability to use larger passenger aircraft on shorter runways. These larger aircraft, with bigger and more economical engines , these days are much more fuel efficient and can carry more cargo and passenger per unit of thrust than they could ever achieve in the past with a smaller aircraft Crew training has nothing to do with the operation of commercial aircraft in operating commercial conditions other than the acquiring of a "minimum requirement," of a number of PIC ( pilot in command) landings, in a pilots log book possibly by the co pilot who needs so many PIC landings achieved, to be able to qualify for Captaincy. ( these conditions are the result not of any doubt of the competency of the Co pilot but conditions set by the insurance companies who insist that the co pilot before he can be a Captain on any commercial aircraft has done a set minimum number of landings in his control, signed off by the acting Captain The co pilot who has passed his "Type rating" on this aircraft in procedural training both in flight simulators and the actual aircraft is already competent and legal to fly the aircraft! The Captain and the first officer or 2nd pilot need to remain "valid or current " on the privileges of their licences by the renewal of their Instrument ratings ( The rating that gives the pilot the privilege of flying an aircraft in "Instrument conditions" Competency checks are also legally required for the renewal of a commercial pilot certificate or licence . The only checks of a pilots and crew competency in an operational flight are by the companies own Flight training Captains who do nothing more than sit on a jump seat in the cockpit and observe that all the operating procedures are being done according to the flight manual and the companies operations policy Training of the sort that is being mentioned in derisory and critical posts herein, is as usual totally uncalled for, as it is patently untrue and as usual the authors are totally ignorant and unaware of the strict procedural training a pilot has to have and achieved before he can get PIC or 2nd pilot on any commercial aircraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipterocarp Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 You are way off "crew training has nothing to do with the operation of commercial aircraft" Check out most of the recent accidents where crew cockups caused the problem (Asiana SFO, ATR in Taiwan where crew reacted to engine failure by shutting down the only engine still running! Planes fly themselves mostly and unlike in the past when mechanical failure caused accident planes are saved by competent pilots with high skills. Check miracle on Hudson and BA double engine flameout into London. I know flying is safer than crossing the street but still have some worry with Thai airlines knowing jobs/promotionsbare likely sometime handed out by bribes and cronism, nothing to do with competence. If the side wind was too strong the A350 should have returned to BKK or another airport with ligher winds and no rain. Is that what happened here?The other thing when you have a true safety culture you have to admit mistakes, you then as a company/organisation openly discuss the errors and chain of events to learn from it a non-punative atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n210mp Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Maybe you didn't read all the posts on this topic mainly the ones of mine where I precisely say what you have just said. As far as your "safety culture" comment is concerned there should be no "culture" involved, There will be an enquiry where responsibility is placed and in this case I would assume that a case will be made that the pilot should indeed have adopted the overshoot procedure but he made a call and in this case it led to the incident occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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