Analysis: Trump 'rigged' vote claim may leave lasting damage

[AYJAYDEE]

Just now, Boon Mee said:

Not at all

You'd have to be completely in the dark to not recognize the heavy media bias in this year's election.

 

I'm gonna let you in on a little known secret if you'll promise to keep it to yourself: ALL MEDIA outlets gauge the candidates and their platforms and then ENDORSE who they want for president. Virtually EVERY major news outlet (including previous republican stalwarts) has decided not to endorse a man they consider unfit for the job! Call it bias if you like but it is their considered opinion. AND it is most certainly NOT rigging an election that hasn't happened yet.

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, Publicus said:

No more back and forth because no more vote counting. That was the operative order by Scotus.

No more vote counting because the state constitutional provision for when the state voting results needed to be certified had EXPIRED. The Democrats wanted to bypass the state constitution and predictably failed. 

 

Otherwise I feel you and I are reading the same book but on different chapters. Gore losing Florida by 500+ votes was his fault to take the voters for granted and not to allow Bill Clinton an active part in his campaign. He deserved the narrow loss, didn't ask for a recount and rightly accepted the SCOTUS decision.

 

It is notable that the State has since eliminated the so-called hanging chad problem that was the main cause for the delayed count and improved the efficiency of voter balloting and counting. Recently a federal district court ruled against the Republican Governor for refusing to extend voter registration and early voting despite the impact of Hurricane Mathew.  The courts have proven to be politically blind and obedient to the laws of the nation. Something Trump apparently cannot accept despite running for the highest law enforcer of the nation.

 

 

[Boon Mee]

15 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

I'm gonna let you in on a little known secret if you'll promise to keep it to yourself: ALL MEDIA outlets gauge the candidates and their platforms and then ENDORSE who they want for president. Virtually EVERY major news outlet (including previous republican stalwarts) has decided not to endorse a man they consider unfit for the job! Call it bias if you like but it is their considered opinion. AND it is most certainly NOT rigging an election that hasn't happened yet.

Watched CNN lately have you? 

[AYJAYDEE]

Just now, Boon Mee said:

Watched CNN lately have you? 

 

yes and they are pro democrat. but that is NOT the same as illegally RIGGING an election. is english your first language?

 

[Ulysses G.]

23 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

 

You'd have to be completely in the dark to not recognize the heavy media bias in this year's election.

 

They did the same thing to Romney and he was a straight arrow. However, this year is ten times worse, because much of the republican establishment is jumping in.

[AYJAYDEE]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

They did the same thing to Romney and he was a straight arrow. However, this year is ten times worse, because much of the republican establishment is jumping in.

 

I wonder why?? lol

 

[ilostmypassword]

11 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

I wonder why?? lol

 

The answer is clear. Because Republicans are prejudiced against the Republican party.  And they're going to do in Trump just like they did Romney.

[AYJAYDEE]

Just now, ilostmypassword said:

The answer is clear. Because Republicans are prejudiced against the Republican party.  And they're going to do in Trump just like they did Romney.

 

nonsense, the conservative media endorsed romney. they wont endorse trump because he doesnt represent republican party ideals.

 

[Srikcir]

15 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Watched CNN lately have you? 

You should be cheered that Trump has now been endorsed by two newspaper publishers : The Santa Barbara News-Press (California) and The St. Joseph (Missouri) News-Press Now.

 

KEYT news team asked the owner and co-publisher of the Santa Barbara News-Press for a comment on the endorsement and an explanation on how the St. Joseph News-Press came to picking Trump, but did not get a reply. Curious response as the Missouri paper is owned by the same company that owns KEYT. 

http://www.keyt.com/news/santa-barbara-news-press-becomes-first-paper-to-endorse-trump/123092420

[Publicus]

39 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Not at all

You'd have to be completely in the dark to not recognize the heavy media bias in this year's election.

 

MSM learned a lot from its complete submission to the obnoxious and destructive Joe McCarthy experience during the early Cold War, when the U.S. Constitution was at its most vulnerable because of the hysteria over the Soviet Russian menace (which was a real menace that we waited out until they collapsed of their own dead weight...coming soon in CCP China).

 

MSM isn't going to get walked over again while it remains cowed, intimidated, flat out scared. Media now is anyway diverse and it is no longer "objective" journalism. It is back to the mid-19th century dayze of the Partisan Press that anyone can Google to read a summary of or about. That's the Partisan Press era of US history.

 

MSM like Faux get no complaints from the Faux people. MSNBC gets no complaints from the MSNBC people. Everyone attacks CNN. It's a free for all and everything comes out in the wash.

 

Except for the eternal rightwhingers. Losers who can't take losing and don't know how to lose. Knowing how to lose is central to a viable democracy. So get with it over there boyz.

 

Quit the sorehead stuff. 

[Boon Mee]

17 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

You should be cheered that Trump has now been endorsed by two newspaper publishers : The Santa Barbara News-Press (California)

That's highly unusual as Santa Barbara and environs (Goleta, Monticito & Isla Vista) are hard core Lib enclaves. 

[Boon Mee]

 

 

 

Further Evidence:  

Project Veritas Catches Prog Operatives Bragging About Illegal Coordination With DNC, Training Agitators With a "Script" To Cause Violence at Trump Rallies, Closing Down Highways, and Paying Mentally Ill People to Cause Disruptions

 

 

[AYJAYDEE]

4 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

 

 

 

Further Evidence:  

Project Veritas Catches Prog Operatives Bragging About Illegal Coordination With DNC, Training Agitators With a "Script" To Cause Violence at Trump Rallies, Closing Down Highways, and Paying Mentally Ill People to Cause Disruptions

 

 

 

more Breitbart bullsh=t!! lol

 

[AYJAYDEE]

31 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

That's highly unusual as Santa Barbara and environs (Goleta, Monticito & Isla Vista) are hard core Lib enclaves. 

well it obviously means the tide has turned and youre gonna win! lol

[Ulysses G.]

34 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

That's highly unusual as Santa Barbara and environs (Goleta, Monticito & Isla Vista) are hard core Lib enclaves. 

 

That's for sure! 

[Merzik]

There is a long history of vote-rigging and criminal behavior in US elections which sometimes decide close elections.. JFK in 1960 for example. No serious historian questions this fraud. There will no doubt be illegal aliens, dead people and people voting multiple times for Clinton per usual. However the most serious election fraud has been done by the corporate media with their malicious jihad againt Trump. Newt Gingrich explains:

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/16/gingrich_20_media_executives_are_launching_a_coup_detat_against_millions_of_trump_voters.html

 

Of course there has also been "legal" vote rigging for decades...bringing in and legalizing demoghrapic groups which vote overwhelmingly for the left. Somalies, Mexicans, Haitians...More than a million muslims have come to America under obama for example. The same has been done in Europe by Tony Blair, Mitterand and other socialists. 93% of Muslims voted for Hollande in the last election in France. The left is the same everywhere.

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

Not at all

You'd have to be completely in the dark to not recognize the heavy media bias in this year's election.

 

Still three weeks to the election and the Trumpists are already laying the groundwork for the excuses for losing. Not very loyal these fans. I wonder - will they become happy subscribers to Trump Cable Network?

 

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, amykat said:

Thaibeachlovers,

 

http://logic.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/main.htm

 

I haven't checked out this site, because I already understand how logic works ... but I think it might help you figure out your problem.

Hmmmm. From that-

A single belief can also be said to be consistent (if it is possible for it to be true)

 

I certainly believe that, FROM THE EVIDENCE, the campaign is rigged against Trump.

WikiLeaks and the latest from the FBI itself support that belief.

[Publicus]

On 10/17/2016 at 11:22 AM, connda said:

"Trump's claim, made without evidence, undercuts the essence of American democracy, the idea that U.S. elections are free and fair, with the vanquished peacefully stepping aside for the victor."

 

In the media's progressive liberal dream-world the above statement might be true, but the US has enough cases of documented election tampering and outright voter fraud that Trump's claim is not without merit.  Actually, the current presidential race should be Trump and Sanders. 

 

Youse guyz got nothin.

 

Only hot air.

 

Quit being soreheads.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

I'm gonna let you in on a little known secret if you'll promise to keep it to yourself: ALL MEDIA outlets gauge the candidates and their platforms and then ENDORSE who they want for president. Virtually EVERY major news outlet (including previous republican stalwarts) has decided not to endorse a man they consider unfit for the job! Call it bias if you like but it is their considered opinion. AND it is most certainly NOT rigging an election that hasn't happened yet.

Only publishing good news and suppressing bad news for one candidate is indeed rigging the system. That is what the mainstream liberal media have been doing. Most of what they say about Trump is designed to make him appear bad, and they publish little to nothing positive about him, but visa versa for HRC.

 

IMO that they apparently "supported" him during the primaries, and are now attacking him makes me think it was planned from the start. Promote Trump to win the GOP primary because he was the one they had the most dirt on to lose the general. If that is true, the entire campaign has been rigged against the GOP, and not just Trump.

 

That HRC has been unable to pull far ahead of him in the polls by this time only shows how unattractive to most Americans she is.

[Scott]

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[Srikcir]

50 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

 Paying Mentally Ill People to Cause Disruptions

Trump must be getting millions of dollars!

[AYJAYDEE]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only publishing good news and suppressing bad news for one candidate is indeed rigging the system. That is what the mainstream liberal media have been doing. Most of what they say about Trump is designed to make him appear bad, and they publish little to nothing positive about him, but visa versa for HRC.

 

IMO that they apparently "supported" him during the primaries, and are now attacking him makes me think it was planned from the start. Promote Trump to win the GOP primary because he was the one they had the most dirt on to lose the general. If that is true, the entire campaign has been rigged against the GOP, and not just Trump.

 

That HRC has been unable to pull far ahead of him in the polls by this time only shows how unattractive to most Americans she is.

 

pssst! learn to read. rigging the ELECTION is an illegal act. the so-called rigging of the system as you so quaintly put it is an entirely different kettle of fish. save your obvious obfuscation for someone else pal!

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, amykat said:

Thaibeachlover:

 

Sorry that one I posted above was overkill ...I found a much better one like I was hoping for ...

 

http://philosophy.hku.hk/think/

 

Try it, you will like it!!

 

 

From that

This is a principle of the second kind that logician study. This principle tells us that a statement such as "if it is raining, then it is raining" must be true. We can easily see that this is indeed the case, whether or not it is actually raining.

 

Logically, therefore, Given that statement

If the evidence shows that the election is rigged, then it is rigged, whether or not it is actually rigged.

 

Yes, I liked it.

 

[amykat]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmmm. From that-

A single belief can also be said to be consistent (if it is possible for it to be true)

 

I certainly believe that, FROM THE EVIDENCE, the campaign is rigged against Trump.

WikiLeaks and the latest from the FBI itself support that belief.

 

Wow, well you are not demonstrating that you have understood what you read yet ...just that you have cherry picked a line that you like.

But I will say that I am seriously impressed that you gave it a go!  That is some seriously dense reading and if you stick with it, it will improve your ability to make sensible arguments one day in the future. 

 

I will be cheering for you Thaibeachlovers!!

 

[Publicus]

17 hours ago, Srikcir said:

No more vote counting because the state constitutional provision for when the state voting results needed to be certified had EXPIRED. The Democrats wanted to bypass the state constitution and predictably failed. 

 

Otherwise I feel you and I are reading the same book but on different chapters. Gore losing Florida by 500+ votes was his fault to take the voters for granted and not to allow Bill Clinton an active part in his campaign. He deserved the narrow loss, didn't ask for a recount and rightly accepted the SCOTUS decision.

 

It is notable that the State has since eliminated the so-called hanging chad problem that was the main cause for the delayed count and improved the efficiency of voter balloting and counting. Recently a federal district court ruled against the Republican Governor for refusing to extend voter registration and early voting despite the impact of Hurricane Mathew.  The courts have proven to be politically blind and obedient to the laws of the nation. Something Trump apparently cannot accept despite running for the highest law enforcer of the nation.

 

 

 

So how long have you been a lawyer for the Republican National Committee. Or an RNC legal department publicist.

 

Constitution says disputes over the election of Potus are settled in the Congress.

 

Under the Constitution, Supreme Court has no role in a dispute over election of Potus. Scotus has nothing to do with it. It is a political question entirely and completely. Yet Scotus' five Republican appointed justices grabbed their gavels and moved right in on that one, precluding Congress and the Constitution.

 

In 2000 Scotus made it the Republican republic. We sucked it up, which is all we ever thought to do. (No 2nd Amendment or assassination crap.)

 

So presently it is time for the right sector of American society to accept its fate. When others who argue wrongly do re-read the Constitution, they will find the election of Potus and VP are political matters for the Congress to settle, as Congress had done during the early decades of the republic. It is not justiciable.

 

Scotus said at the end of it all that their decision in Bush v Gore was not a legal or a Constitutional precedent of law to be cited in the future as definitive or as a guide to a future Scotus. That the Scotus involvement was in that instance in that election only. In other words, Bush v Gore is not legal precedent in the United States because the Scotus involvement in the matter was 100% illegitimate.

 

Unconstitutional. Scotus in the case told the federal judiciary to ignore the case, its findings and consequence, completely and forever. The reason is that it was a inside job against the Constitution done by the five of 'em.

[StevieH]

question for trumpettes - all those newspapers which have traditionally endorsed the republican candidate for president come hell or high water, but none of which have done so this time - have they all been 'got to' by the liberal media elite and hillary clinton? the dallas morning news, the arizona republic, the cincinnati enquirer? they're all part of this enormous rigging exercise too right?

[Srikcir]

5 minutes ago, Publicus said:

It is a political question entirely and completely.

No, the issue was entirely a legal issue.

 

Did the provisions of the Florida State Constitution regarding the time period required to certify state election results violate the US Constitution? The SCOTUS ruling effectively said "no." SCOTUS did not consider the political implications of its ruling - as it should not have.

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, StevieH said:

question for trumpettes - all those newspapers which have traditionally endorsed the republican candidate for president come hell or high water, but none of which have done so this time - have they all been 'got to' by the liberal media elite and hillary clinton? the dallas morning news, the arizona republic, the cincinnati enquirer? they're all part of this enormous rigging exercise too right?

IMO they have been "got to" by the GOP establishment that prefer a Clinton victory to Trump as POTUS. Trump threatens their place at the trough, while HRC is as much for them as her own elites.

The way they have been behaving exposes their true allegiance- to themselves and their class, over any consideration of party.

Yes, they are rigging it for Clinton.

 

That they have not been successful in destroying Trump's base must be causing them sleepless nights, as they will pay for it after the election, when the base revolts against the GOP machine.

[Neurath]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

Paying Mentally Ill People to Cause Disruptions

You said buddy, you said it.