jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 A friend of a friend has a Bar, Farang, it's in his Thai GF name, he opened up yesterday, he was giving the Pool Table a quick clean when 2 IO approached him. You have Work Permit ? No he didn't, they said 150000 baht or you will be deported, he called the Police ended up paying 10000 baht to the Police and 30000 to the 2 IO people obviously no receipts. I thought you were allowed to to work, cleaning the Pool Table isn't work really in your own premises ? To rub his nose in it they played Pool after he gave them the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Is it a free pool table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnabbit Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Know the rules people. Know the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dagnabbit said: Know the rules people. Know the rules. there are no rules, the rules are what they want to invent at any given time If the story's "actually " true he should have just said he was about to have a game himself and thats why he was cleaning it. Edited November 25, 2016 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Don't give um a inch people... Bar owner friends of mine are just there like a customer and have a bill every drink...Then bin them when at home... Sent from my SM-N915G using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kannot said: If the story's "actually " true he should have just said he was about to have a game himself and thats why he was cleaning it. I think it's a wind up :) Edited November 25, 2016 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, evadgib said: I think it's a wind up :) hence the "actually" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 25 minutes ago, kannot said: hence the "actually" 25 minutes ago, kannot said: hence the "actually" 25 minutes ago, kannot said: hence the "actually" Not a wind up, I don't want too name the Bar or the location for various reasons, why are there so many cynical people on Thai Visa ? To get back to the subject on hand I thought this sort of thing was what the Army were trying to stop or is it not worth pursuing as life would become very difficult ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, jamie2009 said: Not a wind up, I don't want too name the Bar or the location for various reasons, why are there so many cynical people on Thai Visa ? To get back to the subject on hand I thought this sort of thing was what the Army were trying to stop or is it not worth pursuing as life would become very difficult ? actually infers it may , or may not be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagnabbit Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, kannot said: there are no rules, the rules are what they want to invent at any given time If the story's "actually " true he should have just said he was about to have a game himself and thats why he was cleaning it. Incorrect - the rules are pretty clear about this sort of work. There are outlawed occupations that you simply cannot do. So even if you own a restaurant, you cannot wait tables. In addition - the OP stated the man had no work permit, yet he was clearly working in a place of business. The rules are clear, he didn't follow them, he got targeted because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Please Is it a free pool table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, evadgib said: I think it's a wind up :) I don't think it's a wind up but even if it is I know for sure that similar things happen all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, ukrules said: I don't think it's a wind up but even if it is I know for sure that similar things happen all the time. Understood, but how many of them surface on a Friday just in time for a weekend clickathon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Dagnabbit said: Incorrect - the rules are pretty clear about this sort of work. There are outlawed occupations that you simply cannot do. So even if you own a restaurant, you cannot wait tables. In addition - the OP stated the man had no work permit, yet he was clearly working in a place of business. The rules are clear, he didn't follow them, he got targeted because of it. u missed the point.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryinTH Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 In Pattaya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 50 minutes ago, kannot said: u missed the point.............. Perhaps it is you missing the point. A friend of a friend of a friend has a bar, he knew the rules, he broke the rules. What is there to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfish Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Just another friend of a friend story... Yawn zzzzzzzzz Sent from my SC-01D using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 And why would he pay? LMFAO. The reason these 'people' do what they do is because there are always suckers who pay. I would have told them, I just spilled my drink and quickly wiped it because that's the right thing to do. Want me to pay? Let's go to court. Bring the evidence, that proves beyond doubt that I was working. I will bring my lawyers. If you insist on spending your money then why not spend it on a lawyer. At least they give something in return. I would rather get deported than get extorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, A1Str8 said: And why would he pay? LMFAO. The reason these 'people' do what they do is because there are always suckers who pay. I would have told them, I just spilled my drink and quickly wiped it because that's the right thing to do. Want me to pay? Let's go to court. Bring the evidence, that proves beyond doubt that I was working. I will bring my lawyers. If you insist on spending your money then why not spend it on a lawyer. At least they give something in return. I would rather get deported than get extorted. I couldn't agree more, I have met the fella once, he has only had the Bar for 6 weeks. He obviously went into panic mode as soon as 150k Baht was mentioned, they weren't looking for 150k just a bit of tea money. I would have done what you said, spilt my drink/food etc on the table and was just cleaning it off, any problem we go to the IO Office and I will explain there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, JerryinTH said: In Pattaya? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Berkshire said: Perhaps it is you missing the point. A friend of a friend of a friend has a bar, he knew the rules, he broke the rules. What is there to understand? So you can't even clean a bit of dust off a Pool Table, there is some thing called compromise, does that mean I can't mow the lawn or sweep the yard. Thailand does nothing to attract people, at every opportunity they want to screw you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 hour ago, mcfish said: Just another friend of a friend story... Yawn zzzzzzzzz Sent from my SC-01D using Tapatalk But true and should be a warning to others, that's the point of Forums to ask and offer advice, not sarcastic comments like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 5 hours ago, jamie2009 said: But true and should be a warning to others, that's the point of Forums to ask and offer advice, not sarcastic comments like yours. Not a warning at all, and pretty obvious what was going on at your friends first encounter. Your friend should of known that If your involved in business in any way with a Thai partner, and to be post civil about it there are things he should of made himself aware of. As said he then could of come up with replies mentioned but that may not of held up if someone has grassed on him, and they were in waiting to see him opening up. If that was case and he was wised to it, he may have got away with a 10,000 backhander fix. The immigration fine for working in Thailand without a work-permit is 30,000 baht and still is as far as l understand, deportation would not be carried out on first offence. l can confirm because an intangible acquaintance of mine and don't yawn, was fined 30,000 baht for wiping a table after picking up a cup & saucer and taking out the back to kitchen at his wife's restaurant and was photographed by someone who disliked him the nasty git unknown but a suspected person sent the photos to the immigration and a visit was made. It weren't me by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 9 hours ago, Berkshire said: Perhaps it is you missing the point. A friend of a friend of a friend has a bar, he knew the rules, he broke the rules. What is there to understand? seems for a fee the rules evaporated, no problem understanding but thanks for your concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Any farang investing in a business here, particularly a bar or restaurant, needs an interlocutor to deal with police and other government agencies. Depending on the size of the business and the nature of the interaction, this could be the Thai wife/girlfriend, a solicitor, an accountant or even a patron. You can do it yourself if you like and you may be successful or think you are but the whole process will be more expensive and time-consuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 13 hours ago, jamie2009 said: why are there so many cynical people on Thai Visa ? Lots of sandal-wearing old folk with not much else to do. What your buddy did might not be considered work, but he should have done a bit of research... unless you have a business set up with work permit, money put down and several Thais working for you, do not do anything other than sit down and be a paying customer. It's harsh and sucks, but this is how things roll here. Personally think anyone that wants to do that type of business here needs their head read. Just open yourself up to having your pocket felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaipod Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Had a friend done for working without a work permit after a guy / so called customer asked him to change the music disc in a bar that was in the wife's name, asked if he had a work permit. ended up paying 20000 to stay out of jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger101 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, thaipod said: Had a friend done for working without a work permit after a guy / so called customer asked him to change the music disc in a bar that was in the wife's name, asked if he had a work permit. ended up paying 20000 to stay out of jail. 30 years ago I was talking to a bar owner in phuket. He was upset, he had just been fined 20,000 baht for changing the tape on his music center. Some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acid thunder Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 21 hours ago, jamie2009 said: I thought you were allowed to to work, cleaning the Pool Table isn't work really in your own premises ? You've managed to completely contradict yourself there, OP. Okay then, what would you define as work? Readying the pool table for the upcoming day's activities would seem like work to me. Anyway the bar owner wants to take a back seat in this business pretty sharpish and do some serious research. Also remind him that he may well get a visit from the copyright licensing guys anytime soon for playing music in his bar. Oh, the joys of owning a bar in Thailand! Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 17 hours ago, JerryinTH said: In Pattaya? No in his mind. Thai visa news hounds here's a story for you.Please let us know the outcome of your investigation won't you!!!. Cough cough cough BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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