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University teaching shows why Thais' command of English is so abysmal!

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there's a misunderstanding... the purpose of education is to instill a sense of not questioning anything, of "going through the motions" of what you are supposed to do and.... inculcating a deep sensibility that reading anything at all is, at best, very boring and always a waste of time. 

now does this story make sense?

aha! it does!!!!!

 


 

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Rule 1. Take no responsibility for your actions.

 

Rule 2.  Blame the printers.

 

Rule 3.  Blame Google translation.

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6 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Years ago, I worked at one of the most prestigious school in the country as they were setting up their English Program. 

Taksin's daughters were there at the time. I taught next to a Cockney who left school at 15. one day he asked me how to spell "sugar". As it happened, as soon as he got his WP, he left and did some work for the Thai mafia. Diamond Geezer and one of the few Cockneys who I actually believed did know the Krays.

 

So one of the 'most prestigious' schools in Thailand employs/employed incompetent teacher(s)! Apparently there is no proper vetting process, and no quality control.

 

Sounds just like the University that this whole thread is about! Incompetent teachers who don't know the subject they are supposed to be teaching, and no procedures to weed them out.

 

 

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1 hour ago, rebo said:

Visit remote hill tribe villages. They often have native English speaking missionary teachers. The children speak much better English, have a better pronunciation and don't fear chatting with English speaking people as most Thai village children taught by Thai teachers do. You will hear the difference immediately.

First, I always appreciated the work of Missionaries in any country. Working for food and lodging.

How many of these Hill tribe kids go to University ?

What I mean is, compare kids in normal schools.

My daughters English and also Math teachers( UK) were drug user. ( not weed ), until they were kicked out after two years !

And I don't think that any teacher can do much; if the kids are taking 1-2 hours per week.

So if the Thai Government is serious about kids learning English; they need more hours/ week.

 

 

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So the farang kid who received so much criticism last week for bringing attention to the fact that Thai's can not speak proper English was not wrong?

To learn a language properly requires learning from a native speaker.

Thais who can not speak English properly can not teach English properly.

What they teach is their mistakes, over and over again!

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5 minutes ago, naiharn said:

So one of the 'most prestigious' schools in Thailand employs/employed incompetent teacher(s)! Apparently there is no proper vetting process, and no quality control.

 

Sounds just like the University that this whole thread is about! Incompetent teachers who don't know the subject they are supposed to be teaching, and no procedures to weed them out.

 

 

I'm sure they are better now. They hired this teacher through an agency that paid peanuts. These agencies still exist and, of course, get monkeys!

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Just now, KenKadz said:

So the farang kid who received so much criticism last week for bringing attention to the fact that Thai's can not speak proper English was not wrong?

To learn a language properly requires learning from a native speaker.

Thais who can not speak English properly can not teach English properly.

What they teach is their mistakes, over and over again!

This is why if a mixed Thai/Foreigner couple have kids, the foreign parent should NEVER speak Thai to them if they want bilingual kids.  Also, the Thai parent should always speak Thai.  

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6 minutes ago, naiharn said:

So one of the 'most prestigious' schools in Thailand employs/employed incompetent teacher(s)! Apparently there is no proper vetting process, and no quality control.

 

Sounds just like the University that this whole thread is about! Incompetent teachers who don't know the subject they are supposed to be teaching, and no procedures to weed them out.

 

 

 

All the prestigious schools I have seen advertise for teachers only employ native teachers who have QTS, never heard of anything like this before, but then anyone can say anything on here, it doesn't make it true.  The best schools use the UK or US programs, there is no way they are employing unqualified teachers, it just wouldn't work, and paying in the region of 100K the have no difficulty in finding qualified experienced teachers.

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2 hours ago, Pimay1 said:

Now that is one funny post. Thanks for the laugh.

Yes agreed, Too funny ..... 555

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6 hours ago, jpinx said:

There are so many versions of English (Spanish also) that it is hard to know where to set the standard...

 

Okayyy... how about English English as in the version known as the English language? :wink:

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1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

They transliterate written Thai, not what people pronounce, and R is a common consonant. Most Thai can pronounce a trilled R when challenged and in good health, otherwise they just say 'L', and the letter L is tossed out completely.

 

You might be interested to know that Thai is a perfect phonetic language, words are pronounced (well, can be) exactly as written with tones and long/short syllables. English is a bastard language and impossible to pronounce from spelling. This confuses everyone, including Thai.

Thai is far from being 'perfectly' phonetic. 'l' and 'r' at the end of a word is pronounced 'n'.  'ch'/'j' at the end of a word is pronounced as a 't'. 'r' and 'l' and the beginning of the word is interchanged all the time and becomes very confusing.  Plus there all the variations of how to write 's' -- just to name a few. Spanish works much better for being phonetic.

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7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

I have a list of things I don't really understand in Thailand.

 

On the list is Why do foreigners, like on this thread, complain so much about Thai's ability or lack of ability to speak English?

This is Thailand, most Thais speak Thai. Some of them also speak English, various quality though, but never mind.

 

If Thais want to learn speak English, fine.

If they don't want to learn speak English fine.

Their choice, nothing to complain about. I just can't understand all this complaining. This ain't Kansas.

 

 

It was remarked in a post above that American stuff like gallons inches and a few more things are hardly used anymore outside the US.

WRONG!

Inches are used WORLD WIDE for several applications, threads on pipes and sensors ate the first that come to mind.

 

 

I did say "hardly used", not never used. I wouldn't say that just BSP is wholesale adoption of the Imperial system of weights and measures worldwide, would you?

 

In Britain, miles are still used on road signage and where vehicle speeds are expressed MPH is used. Fuel consumption is still expressed in MPG (miles per gallon) although, helpfully of course, the British use a completely different gallon to the Americans. Pints are still used in pubs to measure beer but millilitres are used to measure spirits.

 

In France, people still ask for "une livre de ..." a pound of... when buying vegetables but what they mean and expect to receive is 500 grams; the pre-metric French "livre" never was historically the same as the English and American one, in fact it was equivalent to American 17.27 oz. In the area where I lived in France, reclaimed oak timber from old barns was, rather quaintly, sold by the "pied cube" the cubic foot however it was not the same foot as used in the UK and America which is alleged to have been derived from the length of the foot of Henry VIII. The unit in France is also known as the "pied du roi", the king's foot, and was derived from the length of the foot of one of their kings who took a different shoe size to Henry VIII and is thus a completely different size being 1.066 ft. Even if you hear people using what sound like US units, there is no guarantee that they are the same units you use in the US; to be sure, you would have to use the metric system to define them!

 

The BSP pipe threading standards (that's British Standard Pipe, not American standard) are still used in every part of the world that I have every visited and I was surprised to find that steel tapes here are dual marked in centimetres and inches. With few exceptions, just about every country in the world uses the metric system except the US and in fact if I remember correctly, the US lost a Mars probe at a cost of $ billions because the manufacturers of the rocket engine muddled up Imperial and Metric units. If you want to interact with scientists and engineers throughout the world today, you need to use metric units as that is the world scientific standard.

 

In the US, medicine uses metric units; you don't dispense medication in grains and minims, doses of solids are in milligrams and liquids in millilitres (or in "cc", cubic centimetres, which under the metric system, conveniently happen to be equal to millilitres)    

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25 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Also penis pizza sizes, car tyres and nails  to name a few.

Certainly in the building and ancillary trades here in Thailand and elsewhere - including the UK - they use Imperial measures such as inches and feet as well as Metric measurements, but please admit this is an anachronism as all of Europe, China, Russia, South America, Canada, Australia, NZ, Africa, the ME, the rest of SE Asia use the Metric system for both length, weight and volume.

Using Imperial measure when you threw off the Imperial yoke over 260 years ago is faintly laughable!

And whilst we're at it - why Fahrenheit when the rest of the world use Celsius? And why Month/Day/Year when the logical presentation is as per the rest of the world: Day/Month/Year!?

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1 hour ago, Bule gila said:

You are quite incredible and yet again wrong.

noun

1.
Linguistics. a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.
2.
a provincial, rural, or socially distinct variety of a language that differs from the standard language, especially when considered as substandard.
3.
a special variety of a language:
The literary dialect is usually taken as the standard language.
4.
a language considered as one of a group that have a common ancestor:

 

Incrdible yes, wrong no.

Here is a wiki quote from their article on standard English.

"Standard English (SE) is any form of the English language that is accepted as a national norm in a particular English-speaking country."

Note how they state, particular English-speaking country, as in the standard is different in different countries, as in there is more than one standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_English

 

I won't take it further, I am not into shaming.

 

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