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Jonathan Fairfield

Koh Phangan hospital backtracks after pregnant English tourist is unable to pay medical bill

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R U kidding me!!  Money to fly to Thailand on holiday, money

to party, hotel, food....when it comes to negotiating a hospital

bill and paying and being responsible no money ...typical UK

low class trash, want everything for free.  Bill finally was B20,000

she will no doubt stick her friends with that bill too.

 

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30 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Which was the part that cost 100,000 baht? The Ultra-sound or the ferry to Samui? Perhaps it was the paracetamol?

Sure ... but I do find it 'interesting' that the photo in the article--if it's the genuine one from the woman--has been carefully taken/cropped so that the price breakdown is not shown. That would be important information to show to allows readers (us) to make an objective assessment of what happened...

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14 hours ago, Badbanker said:

It is very illegal for any person or agency, other than law enforcement to retain your passport and then only on the imposition of a criminal case against you.

 

Not paying a car rental, hotel or hospital bills is a civil matter and the damaged party must retain a lawyer to file a civil suit against the person that they have a bill with.

 

Yes, I know as in this case, hospitals and hotels try to retain your passport as surety, but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

Of course the person wrongfully retaining the passport who was short changed, is shocked but this is the law in Thailand!

 

Been there done that!!!!!

but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

All can!  Some do.  Many can't be bothered, or are too gutless or lazy.

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9 hours ago, BKKBrit said:

And no one looks at the fact that she's pregnant..hasn't bothered to read her insurance policy (which one think would be critically important when travelling pregnant)...heads off to a full moon party (<deleted>???).   The hospital, as far as I am concerned, is in the right to claim the fees for the care and service provided. I pity this woman's child if even before birth mum can be so irresponsible. 

Going to a full moon party pregnant is not smart if she drank alcohol. If no alcohol then no problem. Moms can have fun. It is allowed. 

 

Not reading an insurance policy is normal for 99 percent of humans. Even if she attempted to read it she would not understand it. If an insurance company can find a way to deny payment they always deny. Give the girl a break --she bought insurance. 

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Not making excuses, but, I had to go to the hospital when I was living in England (a semester at college). I expected to pay my bill and I tried, and was told the national health care would take care of it. Maybe the lady was expecting that to be the case in Thailand. 

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Koh Pangan, full moon party and 3 months pregnancy is not a very good combo, to say the least.

 

And who the heck thinks that a standard medical insurance will cover pregnancy issues?

 

Totally irresponsible woman, as so many in the west nowadays not prepared to compromise their "freedom" for anything.

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There's not a lot that can be deduced from the small clip of the hospital bill other that Ultrasound and 1 night there. Maybe there isn't much else, and the hospital decided to 'write-off' their profit, having been handed the 20,000bht, just to show what a caring, humane organisation they are.

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7 hours ago, ParadiseLost said:

Most likely the hospital saw an insurance document, thought they hit the pot of gold, so gouged the hell out of her expecting an easy payday. Standard practice in the medical industry, no?

 

Once they realised the victim/patient had no cash and started making a noise they obviously decided better to make it go away. No point getting bad publicity.

 

One of the good things about social media.

exactly

 

out of the millions of people that come here on holiday how many are unfortunate to fall ill - very few

 

Thailand should be taking care of their visitors if they require basic emergency treatment free of charge - every hospital should be forced to give a certain basic level of service free and stop this ridiculous rip off nonsense

 

and very often if someone has a serious accident it is often because of the poor safety standards in the country as a whole - boating and road incidents accounting for the majority, charge everyone a surcharge when entering the country should cover all eventualities for everyone that chooses to come here for a holiday ----- oh wait

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11 hours ago, z42 said:

Absolute thievery by some of the hospital brass foiled seemingly... Or am i missing something (itemised bill maybe)? And also a glaring example how travel insurance in a lot of instances is pretty worthless when it is actually needed. 

Glad to hear the girl will be getting home without any extra undue stress

Obviously the hospital gave back the passport. 

Travel and private insurances are quite worthless when it comes to pre-existing conditions, and pregnancy seems to be a pre-existing condition in this case. Nothing to blame it on the girl. UK (embassy, maybe NHS) should pay the bill as they would have done at home. 

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I'm of two minds on this one:

 

  1. The girl would have known she was pregnant by the end of the first trimester. There's a possible judgment issue in going to a full moon party in that condition (though we can only guess at her behaviour there). A more critical judgement issue is burning through all your cash while on holiday--you never know what can happen. She was transferred to private hospital then transferred by boat to another hospital. I'm not clear how long she was under observation, but her symptoms seem serious for a pregnant woman (bleeding and fainting), so I can imagine she received pretty intensive attention in addition to an ultrasound.

    BUT
     
  2. It's quite possible that the hospital 'enhanced' her bill beyond what may have been significant costs for the above...

 

I'm not sure she could get off scott free on this one... needs to be a little bit of learning here

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1 minute ago, ParadiseLost said:

Some here need lessons in human reproduction; it is entirely possible the girl was not aware of the pregnancy. At 12 weeks there may be no signs at all.

 

BS. Ever heard of something called period?

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10 hours ago, BKKBrit said:

And no one looks at the fact that she's pregnant..hasn't bothered to read her insurance policy (which one think would be critically important when travelling pregnant)...heads off to a full moon party (<deleted>???).   The hospital, as far as I am concerned, is in the right to claim the fees for the care and service provided. I pity this woman's child if even before birth mum can be so irresponsible. 

The hospital has not acted correctly they have gouged the bill. I have had 2 children born in Thai private hospitals and the first had complications and the bill was half that and with more care by the looks of it. The reason they back tracked is because  not only were they fully aware their heavy handed tactics were illegal in taking her passport, but they new the bill was far to high, and once they have acted in this manner they lose and moral high ground.

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1 minute ago, ThailandLOS said:

 

BS. Ever heard of something called period?

Has every woman you have known had perfectly regular periods? It is common for some to skip a month, especially if physically active, or some meds.

 

Did you bother to read the link? Can you read? Have you lived with many women? :smile:

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One alternative not mentioned here, is that she could have been transferred to the Government Hospital in Nathon on arrival in Samui, then at least her bill would have been reasonable!  Samui Rescue would have helped if asked, I am sure!

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11 hours ago, Badbanker said:

It is very illegal for any person or agency, other than law enforcement to retain your passport and then only on the imposition of a criminal case against you.

 

Not paying a car rental, hotel or hospital bills is a civil matter and the damaged party must retain a lawyer to file a civil suit against the person that they have a bill with.

 

Yes, I know as in this case, hospitals and hotels try to retain your passport as surety, but an embassy can and does very regularly cancel an existing passport being held hostage, and issue you with a new one in a day.

 

The embassy will then call to the entity that is wrongfully in possession of the passport and ask for it to be returned to the embassy asap as it is the property of the issuing government.

 

Of course the person wrongfully retaining the passport who was short changed, is shocked but this is the law in Thailand!

 

Been there done that!!!!!

Absolutely correct .  It is a common misconception that the holder "owns" the passport. The issuing govt always owns it. Which is why it can never be confiscated or left as security.

Others can observe it and record details but not keep it.

If a Hire shop or hotel wants to keep it then always refuse. if someone refuses to return it including police report it stolen. Never pay police a bribe to get your passport back.

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