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Phuket visa run van wipeout: 3 dead, 7 injured

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Just look at most accident sites.  Very rare to see brake marks on the pavement...Most Thai drivers, even professional truck and bus driver, do not anticipate . They just keep driving....No slowing down, no braking no changing lanes....

 

That explain why the vehicles are so badly damaged and you have a lot of dead people. What I see in city road accidents are car damaged like the one we see on   highways.

 

Just look the next time you see an accident site.....

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39 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

 

So so many previous topics here on Thaivisa suggesting that Thai government via Immigration just charge a fixed fee to renew shorter term visas ... Makes so much sense but hey TIT ...

Yeah, not much makes sense in this country.

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is a bit too early to tell who was at fault. Could have been a faulty vehicle, an animal on the road, a sleepy driver, a reckless driver, bad weather, or lack of driving skill. But, we do know two parties who are definitely at fault. Little P, and the immigration department. They know how dangerous these roads are. They know a small number of people doing visa runs will die, or be badly injured. These visa runs are an antiquated policy, in drastic need of revision. I presume they were originally designed as a way to stimulate the economy, as much revenue would go to the mini van operators, the airlines, hotels, etc. One could even be as cynical as to say that these visa runs would help support the hospitals too. But, the time has come to revise this policy, and eliminate these dangerous, environmentally disastrous, and completely unnecessary visa runs. This service should be available IN COUNTRY. Period. Anything else is irresponsible, and contributes to the mayhem. So what about the minivan operators who thrive on this? Let them get into something else, or use their vans for more productive use. 

 

For now, the fault of these deaths rest squarely on an administration which is completely lacking any creative juice, and most definitely lacking the desire to make life easier for tourists and ex-pats. 

You make sense about in country visa of some sort.I will never die in a mini bus because it is a rule of mine,never ever enter one.Big is better and if we all did that,they would be out of biz.

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18 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 


Its not just Phuket, the whole of Thailand is the same...
I reckon less than half the accidents make any form of news story, so the true carnage is much greater than we ever see in the media (Thai or English)

 

 

Just wait till NEW YEAR  !!!!!    :shock1:

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".... Heavy rain was blamed ..."

 

I just get sick when I read that.

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8 minutes ago, cnx355 said:

Just look at most accident sites.  Very rare to see brake marks on the pavement...Most Thai drivers, even professional truck and bus driver, do not anticipate . They just keep driving....No slowing down, no braking no changing lanes....

 

That explain why the vehicles are so badly damaged and you have a lot of dead people. What I see in city road accidents are car damaged like the one we see on   highways.

 

Just look the next time you see an accident site.....

Your right.Thai pull out into traffic and then stop,maybe,if they see something.Most farangs,stop or slow,look,then pull out.I rekon it is straight out lazyness.Too lazy to put a helmet on,too lazy to do the strap up,too lazy to pull the helmet all the way down and too lazy to change gears at corners.

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I have seen these visa run vans going like maniacs on the road passing even though incoming traffic this is why i got myself a car this is the main reason so i will get there and back.

This Jungle driving is present daily and we all have to be prepared for what ever.

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I'm sorry guys, but to use this story as an opportunity to slag off at the Immigration system is cynical in the extreme.

 

The vans' destination is really irrelevant to this tragedy. 

 

I see this, as yet again, another sad example of very unskilled, poorly trained drivers who refuse to adapt to changing weather and road conditions. 

 

Ultimately, the van companies must accept a very big proportion of culpability in these tragedies, as the mindset of many of their employees (van drivers) seems to be lunatic, with little thought to the very serious responsibility of transporting people safely to their destination.

 

Some very serious licensing overhauls at Govt level, need to take place to better regulate this industry. Until this happens, nothing will change, and the carnage will continue.

 

I feel well qualified to offer the above comments, as I did this exact same job for my entire working career in another country, but what I see here in Thailand really does scare the shit out of me. 

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is a bit too early to tell who was at fault. Could have been a faulty vehicle, an animal on the road, a sleepy driver, a reckless driver, bad weather, or lack of driving skill. But, we do know two parties who are definitely at fault. Little P, and the immigration department. They know how dangerous these roads are. They know a small number of people doing visa runs will die, or be badly injured. These visa runs are an antiquated policy, in drastic need of revision. I presume they were originally designed as a way to stimulate the economy, as much revenue would go to the mini van operators, the airlines, hotels, etc. One could even be as cynical as to say that these visa runs would help support the hospitals too. But, the time has come to revise this policy, and eliminate these dangerous, environmentally disastrous, and completely unnecessary visa runs. This service should be available IN COUNTRY. Period. Anything else is irresponsible, and contributes to the mayhem. So what about the minivan operators who thrive on this? Let them get into something else, or use their vans for more productive use. 

 

For now, the fault of these deaths rest squarely on an administration which is completely lacking any creative juice, and most definitely lacking the desire to make life easier for tourists and ex-pats. 

Great post with which I entirely agree but in your list of reasons for keeping the visa run you've forgotten the important one of increased numbers for the Tourism Ministry and TAT.

 

 

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I refuse to go by van for visa runs for exactly the reason that they drive like maniacs at speeds beyond belief. If booked a week or more in advance you can fly from Phuket to KL and back for not much more than a van run.

 

RIP to those lost in this horrific smash.

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No such thing as visa runs in the Philippines, just go to the nearest immigration office and pay for an extention.

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No such thing as visa runs in the Philippines, just go to the nearest immigration office and pay for an extention.

Massive downside is you actually have to live there.

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1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

This is Thailand, they don't have the mindset to do anything that makes sense like your post, and now and probably not for the first time their love of inconveniencing people has had bitter consequences. 

 

Yes i know, they don't care at all for me, even when i 'm married to a Thai lady. Those visaruns have advantages but i would like to pick the date myself according to my wife's agenda as well.

 

And if they treated me with more respect i might even bring in more money to invest but when the rules change about every year i sure won't do that.

 

I won't go in one of those visa-run buses, a flight costs a little bit more plus i can do taxfree shopping. Also it's great to be in other Asian cities for a while where they speak english and have their stuff organised and mannered.

 

Those minivans are the most rude vehicles on the roads and all Thai are scared to death for them.

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5 minutes ago, mcfish said:


Massive downside is you actually have to live there.

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No worse than living in the land of smiles and in places its a lot better. There are no army, police and immigration jerks patrolling to catch you playing scrabble. Yes and you can actually see people smiling in public here, unlike Thailand.

 

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