csabo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I woke up today to the sounds of fighter jets blasting by my house in Phuket. Never throughly the would fly into the house but I guess you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, markusangel said: The trauma for children witnessing this. :-( Trauma.........at that age I coudlnt have cared less 7-8-9-10-11-12 etc and I doubt they will except wailing parents wont help by instilling that fear into them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Multiple off topic troll and not funny posts have been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, sandgroper2 said: You must contact the air crash investigators with you expert knowledge. Just speculation, as is usually the case after such accidents. Do you have any speculations as to the possible cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Most airplane crashes today are caused by pilot error. Next is faulty maintenance. If that dive was an intentional beginning of a loop, then he executed it too low. If it wasn't intentional, then a mechanical or software failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, KarenBravo said: Most airplane crashes today are caused by pilot error. Next is faulty maintenance. If that dive was an intentional beginning of a loop, then he executed it too low. If it wasn't intentional, then a mechanical or software failure. Agree with you that he was way to low and over a populated area to enter the loop at that altitude. The loop also looked really shallow with very little room to recover if something went wrong, which of course something did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 39 minutes ago, bubba said: Looked to me like he was attempting to do an Immelmann Turn, but lost it as he was completing the inside of the top half of the loop. There does not appear to have been any loss of power. At that point in the loop, aviators can experience 6 - 9 Gs, so I am wondering whether he greyed out at that point, didn't roll out and the aircraft continued on without controlled flight. Here is an F-16 doing an Immelmann correctly. RIP to the aviator. It was also a 64M euro aircraft loss for the RTAF. Really? Looked to me like a classic scoop out from a blown barrel roll with no looping segment at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 58 minutes ago, bubba said: Looked to me like he was attempting to do an Immelmann Turn, but lost it as he was completing the inside of the top half of the loop. There does not appear to have been any loss of power. At that point in the loop, aviators can experience 6 - 9 Gs, so I am wondering whether he greyed out at that point, didn't roll out and the aircraft continued on without controlled flight. Here is an F-16 doing an Immelmann correctly. RIP to the aviator. It was also a 64M euro aircraft loss for the RTAF. The aeroplane rolled inverted, remained on a smooth, rolling, curving, forward, downward, flightpath, which would have resulted in it returning upright at the lowest point of the maneuver....... and then hit the ground. Pull up into half loop and roll upright to reverse course (your film) = Immelmann. Roll inverted and pull down into half loop to reverse course = Split S (which would have been insanity at his height) As it was with this maneuver. It was a Barrel Roll started too low so that the lowest point of the maneuver coincided with a point below ground level. It kills many part-time "show" pilots. Aerobatics belong at a safe height, one that allows for recovery when they go wrong. As they often do, when not performed by trained, professional, competitive aerobatics pilots. Who practice and practice and practice and practice and...................practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukeleto Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, elgordo38 said: Subliminal message to future adults. Had the opposite of the intended effect then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzandy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, rooster59 said: The pilot was unable to eject Surely a well maintained aircraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Looks like he loss lift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 58 minutes ago, zorro1 said: You really think they were referring to the air force? I could be wrong but the last time I checked the air force planes required pilots as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Enoon said: The aeroplane rolled inverted, remained on a smooth, rolling, curving, forward, downward, flightpath, which would have resulted in it returning upright at the lowest point of the maneuver....... and then hit the ground. Pull up into half loop and roll upright to reverse course (your film) = Immelmann. Roll inverted and pull down into half loop to reverse course = Split S (which would have been insanity at his height) As it was with this maneuver. It was a Barrel Roll started too low so that the lowest point of the maneuver coincided with a point below ground level. It kills many part-time "show" pilots. Aerobatics belong at a safe height, one that allows for recovery when they go wrong. As they often do, when not performed by trained, professional, competitive aerobatics pilots. Who practice and practice and practice and practice and...................practice. Actually, I am agreeing with you and cloudhopper now after looking back at the first video rather than the zoomed one. Thanks for that. Let's hope RATF do not attempt this barrel roll next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallviking Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 58 minutes ago, hobz said: This swedish piece of shit has a history of crashing during these show events. In fact, if i recall correctly it crashed on its first public show in stockholm many years ago.. Pilot ejected and survived that time. Expensive piece of shit The one that crashed was a pilot error. He was an "old school" tespilot and his reflection was to "fly" the aitplane but should insted had let the airplane computers control the airplane. When the pilot and computers where fighting eachother the airplane crashed. If he had just let the stick go the plane would have recovered and no crasch would have happend. That was in the early 90:s when the all new fly-by-wire system wasent completely finished yet. Most other fighter jets have crashed a lot more per flighthour than the JAS39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, markusangel said: The trauma for children witnessing this. :-( There is no trauma unless an adult makes a scene and turns this into something big. This will be an exciting event for a kid.No body, no visible death, so it's just a cool explosion and fire. 2 hours ago, zorro1 said: RIP. poor kids didn't need to see that Why not? They see worse in their video games, and on any given day of the week on their roads. Chances are that by age 10 a Thai child will have seen some mangled bodies. 1 hour ago, arrowsdawdle said: The FAA recently rated Thailand aviation as not meeting international standards, so this happening before the ink is even dry on the FAA warning flies in the losing face of country reputation. Poor pilot had no chance. US FAA has no opinion on Thai airforce. Planes crash. It's what happens when pilots hotdog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, Enoon said: The aeroplane rolled inverted, remained on a smooth, rolling, curving, forward, downward, flightpath, which would have resulted in it returning upright at the lowest point of the maneuver....... and then hit the ground. Pull up into half loop and roll upright to reverse course (your film) = Immelmann. Roll inverted and pull down into half loop to reverse course = Split S (which would have been insanity at his height) As it was with this maneuver. It was a Barrel Roll started too low so that the lowest point of the maneuver coincided with a point below ground level. It kills many part-time "show" pilots. Aerobatics belong at a safe height, one that allows for recovery when they go wrong. As they often do, when not performed by trained, professional, competitive aerobatics pilots. Who practice and practice and practice and practice and...................practice. I agree that he was doing a barrel roll. However it seemed to me that once he got inverted the controls locked up and he remained inverted all the way into the ground. Had a similar thing happen with a Hawk in the UK. It had had a recent wing change. For whatever reason the pilot decided to do an inverted fly pass. When he tried to continue the roll back upright the controls were locked. Luckily when he tried rolling back upright in the opposite direction the controls were ok. Turned out a bush had been left in the aircraft during the wing change and dropped into the control rods when he was inverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallviking Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, elgordo38 said: I could be wrong but the last time I checked the air force planes required pilots as well. Civil aviaition rules is a totally different area than military flying ! Dont mix the 2 worlds. The Thai airforce pilots are mostly trained in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 54 minutes ago, gmac said: Poor kids??? What about the pilot? Too many people care too much about protecting kids from real life these days. The guy died getting paid for doing something most of us can only dream of ever doing. He had less than a few seconds realizing he was in trouble, and died instantly- too fast for any pain. Not a bad way to go out. My heart goes out to the family he probably left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, arrowsdawdle said: The FAA recently rated Thailand aviation as not meeting international standards, so this happening before the ink is even dry on the FAA warning flies in the losing face of country reputation. Poor pilot had no chance. The FAA have no authority over the RTAF.....and the last failure in standards was an Airport security matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roymac Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Well said on differentiating between Civil and Military operations. I served in both as a pilot (42 years) and they are worlds apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aslimversgwm Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, rooster59 said: Air Force pilot killed in Gripen jet fighter crash at Hat Yai airport An Air Force pilot was killed when his Gripen jet fighter crashed into the ground during an air show before hundreds of children and their parents at Hat Yai military airport. The air show was performed to mark the Children’s Day today. The fatal incident happened about 9.40 am. It was not immediately known the cause of the crash but the jet fighter was flying above the runway gathered by children and parents. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/air-force-pilot-killed-gripen-jet-fighter-crash-hat-yai-airport/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-01-14 How awful. The poor pilot. As an ex-RAF chap my heart goes out to his family, friends and comrades-in-arms. So very sad and on such a happy day for the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foexie Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, mick220675 said: I do not understand why on a day for children the military have to get so involved. I have just returned from a event in our local town, lots of fun things for the kids to do and then solders with M16 rifles. It's just a fun day out for them. My gf is from Songkhla and she and her sisters Always went there yearly with her parents. She was Always excited to go there on childrens day. Last year her parents went there again with my gf's niece and nephews and they also had a time of their lifes. We have a flight show here also every year on a weekend. Tens of thousands peoples Always go visit the airshow to see the show and walk between the airplanes hoping to have a chance to go sit in some. Accualy most of the stunt teams who fligh on those days are military or ex military. So even it hasn't anything to do with military acts the influence will Always be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV44 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, KarenBravo said: Maybe a moderator can correct the title of this thread. The plane was a Gripen, not a Griffin. Gripen is the Swedish word for griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, JV44 said: Gripen is the Swedish word for griffin. Hmm.......one site says yes and another no. I'll take your word for it. http://www.wordsense.eu/gripen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I was just thinking that some fighter aircraft (i.e. F-16) have an Automated Ground Collision Avoidance Software (Auto GCAS or AGCAS) system that senses whether the aircraft is on a collision course with the ground and is outside of normal parameters. Auto GCAS then automatically commands the aircraft to roll wings level and execute a 5-G pull to recover. No idea whether RTAF ordered this option. Here is what happened for one pilot who was very fortunate to have Auto GCAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallviking Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, KarenBravo said: No it isn't. http://www.wordsense.eu/gripen/ Read the first line ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 A fire engine overturned on the way to the crash site forcing a run way closure............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Tuft Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, arrowsdawdle said: The FAA recently rated Thailand aviation as not meeting international standards, so this happening before the ink is even dry on the FAA warning flies in the losing face of country reputation. Poor pilot had no chance. Total nonsense. Learn the difference between military and civilian aviation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Tallviking said: Read the first line ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen I amended my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little mary sunshine Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 So sad. Maintenance.........not adhered to in LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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