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20 percent of critically-ill patients in Thailand die in ambulances while being rushed to hospitals

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27 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Possibly two main factors for this statistic,
First most EMS crews scrape up the patient and blaze a trail to a hospital, giving no road-side care/stabalisation or life saving practices within the ambulance, they just try to get you to a doctor before you bleed out & expire or run out of oxygen!

Second, blazing a trail on some roads is reduced to a crawl depending on time of the day, ie office hours, school runs etc

Thai people in the most might move an inch but not more, in heavy traffic they either hold their position or simply cannot move!

 

In my home country most police listen to emergency response calls with ambulances, a police car in the area will often attend the vicinity to make sure the ambulance has a clear path.

Having said that ambulances always carry highly trained paramedics and or doctors if deemed necessary, the patient is examined and stabalised at the scene before transporting anywhere, also patient info/condition is radioed ahead to the hospital team so that the correct personnel are in attendance to minimise any delays on arrival!

You forgot the third factor, that Thai people drive extremely selfishly.

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You also forgot the fourth factor. Thai people believe that the emergency vehicles are abusing the sirens and using them to pass through traffic even when there's no emergency. Not sure how often they are right.

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1 hour ago, disambiguated said:

 

It is, however, wholly Asian.

Explain Japan.

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Sad when a whole race of people are oblivious to the suffering of others and the life or death struggle of ambulance crews to get people to the emergency room..  

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The main problem on the highways is that local drivers have no common sense.  In heavy traffic (which may be caused by and accident further down) then fill up the hard shoulder, a lane designed to allow emergency vehicles access.  It's "me first" and to hell with the consequences.  Police should attend the congestion on the highways and fine the pants off the dozens of cars using the hard shoulder as an extra lane.  It's not rocket science so why can't the Thais get another brain cell to rub with the one they have  and understand?

 

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18 hours ago, Get Real said:

No matter if have a law or not have a law that tells people so move aside for an ambulance. Here are people so ignorant and have so poor driving skills so it´s really unbelievable.
Nothing will change that, more than a total turn in the way of thinking and showing respect to people and human life. Something that´s really lacking here. Just to look at how much changed

in the way of thinking and living in the last 20 years in Thailand. Got the picture already. No need for more. Totally hopeless! Just simple luck that the number is as low as 20 percent. Thought it was much higher.

When I watch a video of one cop in a car hitting another cop I agree the  20% figure seems low. 

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Saw it myself just a couple days ago, driving along Highway 304 in Pak Thong Chai with my wife, I look in rear view mirror and see an ambulance coming up behind me with lights flashing, so I immediately pull over to the left and actually stopped for several seconds to let the ambulance get past, then I take off driving again, can see ambulance in front of me, boxed in on the 2-lane highway, driver trying hard to get through but all these Thais clogging up both lanes. I said to my wife...you see the difference here? What I just did and these gormless clowns?

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Do ambulances turn up for everyone?
Sometimes I see a pickup or SUV turn up.
Is it whose closer that takes the patient to hospital?

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Samui may fall in for a lot of criticism, but here is reality.  An accident!  Samui rescue were called and arrived long before the police ! Asked which hospital ?  Rushed to the Government Hospital in Nathon, well treated and at nominal cost !

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The majority are much more likely to be intentionally blocking an emergency vehicle. They are afraid that another driver will slot in behind it and they will lose a few places in the queue or they are just pig ignorant. From what I have seen those unintentionally blocking an ambulance move out the way when realising it. 

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Agree with this seeing how cars do not give a shishenhousen when seeing or hearing an Ambulance.

I was in a taxi and over took a near stationary Ambulance in the lane beside us with its lights and siren blaring while endeavouring to  travel in  traffic jam.

It was obvious the taxi driver and others were not in the least worried about clearing a path for the Ambulance.

I guess the person being transported was one of the 20% !!!!!!

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21 hours ago, daveAustin said:

A lot of truth in that; the me thing, which is wholly un-Buddhist. See it all the time, not giving way to ambulances. Unfortunately, it's the type of thing that would take generations to change. Big fines and vehicle impoundings are the only way to go... as long as they're not Mercedes. 

.......With wats and monks everywhere?.........So what are they teaching?...........Thailand's religion is failing it's people!

 

Thailand follows the original Theravada Buddhism' unlike most Buddhist countries who have evolved to follow the more 'selfless' Mahayana Buddhism where those believed to have achieved enlightenment renounce  nirvana and their right to escape from rebirth to return to Earth to help others along the path. Theravada Buddhism advocates following the founders example of seeking one's own nirvana only.  Can this be construed as selfish? He is said to have abandoned his wife, child, and wordly responsibilities to seek his own salvation......Does that ring any bells for Thailand? What kind of role model is this for Thai men? Maybe this goes some way to explain perceived selfish behaviour by Thai people.

 

The West also, the advertising industry excepted, gravely underestimates the power of role models.

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The Thai Government; schools; temples and business needs to start an education campaign about safe and responsible driving.  the media needs to place releases about safe and responsible driving on TV; Radio and newspapers. It will still take a generation for it to sink in but it has to start somewhere.

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Training crews to top paramedic standards would probably pay off more than increasing number of doctors ,and enhance status and professionalism,Does anyone know what the wage of an ambulance driver is?

 

Re making way for ambulance,I have that as one item on my list of ten things by which we might judge a country CIVILISED.Thailand scores low

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Government should make it an offence when emergency vehicles are obstructed by others. Simple big fines. 

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Spoke once to Aussie academic who went frequently in advisory capacity to most Countries on this side of Asia and he always said Thailand was the most chaotic of them all including China, Malaysia , Vietnam and Indonesia etc., Its probably the educational level of many Thais which is below other counties and of course will hold them back economically and culturally.

 

Trouble is I think 2 problems there 1. The upper middle class, elites Bangkok based , business class etc want to keep their power and wealth as is . 2. Their kids in Bangkok, Hau Hin etc get into either private schools or top selective/ academic local schools. There is no concept of socially progressive politics as in Scandinavia or Germany or France where the common good helps all. Unfortunately the AngloSaxon countries Brexit Hard Right UK and Trump USA will get more unequal and so more division will happen there too 

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