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Have to say this looks pretty outstanding now.  The regular remote is now bundled with it ($50 extra before), it also now has Amazon Prime Video (so looks like Google / Amazon have sorted their feud out, at least a bit), smaller form factor, Google Home is integral (with an always on microphone in the controller), Amazon Prime and Netflix is  4K UHD ready, supports pass-through of 5.1 and 7.1 audio and delivers an excellent surround sound experience. It also supports Dolby Digital (AC3), Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC3), DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Atmos, DTS-X and DTS Core Audio Streams in pass-through mode.

 

Still a bit pricey for a streamer than can play middling games I think but I still fancy one if I can get one here from the US somehow, especially if I can wait for Black Friday 2017.  At the US / UK $1 = £1 conversion rate it's less attractive.

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I really love my Shield.

FYI, they just updated to Nougat and added Amazon Video.

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Yeah.  I might go down that route at some stage.  Was sadly underwhelmed with the Amazon Fire TV, especially after finding (through not researching as much as I should) that it won't play Amazon Prime by default and needs a VPN to actually connect it via an Amazon account country.  I'd researched the boxes and which was best up to the hilt but failed to check that an Amazon device would actually work with an Amazon service that they provide internationally, and a service that DOES work on a laptop or a mobile app, just not on the Fire TV / Stick.  Assumed it would, WRONG!!  At the time the new Shield wasn't out.  Netflix seem to be able to make their apps identify where you are viewing from and serving you up what you're entitled to.  Not Amazon.  A rushed, poorly thought out and poorly implemented jump by Amazon into the Prime Video (let's grab a piece of the Netflix cake) market while it's app developers sit with their fingers stuck up their a55es.  Stick to selling things Amazon!!

 

Sadly though, wile the new Shield (and the update for the old one) has the baked in Amazon app now it's the same as on the Fire TV, so requires a VPN and won't switch to Prime by default when outside Amazon account countries.  Quite a few complaints about it on the Shield forums.  So at the moment I'm kinda 'off' Android boxes and have parked the idea as they don't provide me with anything better than what I have now (not interested in IPTV at the moment, paid or otherwise), just wanted a one box solution that could do 

 

Plex

Netflix HD

Prime Video HD (not the VPN / Amazon account country version)

YouTube HD

IPTV if I ever wanted it

 

Neither the Shield or the Fire TV does it currently.  I did find I really hated that Amazon centric UI on the Fire though.  Better for me to stick with the Apple TV and Airplay Prime to the big screen when needed (which won't be long given the dismal lack of content even compared to Netflix and iFlix).  I wanted to try and get iFlix to play on an Android device too but it's a laptop or mobile device app based service, works with a touch screen only, and cant be used on an Android box, at least not in a way I can find.  I'm not prepared to keep throwing money down the drain trying different boxes and /or devices like an air mouse to find they don't work when I can simply Airplay it, and without that immensely annoying Amazon UI getting in the way.

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Amazon Prime is Geolocked to the UK so if you want to watch it you must have a VPN, it makes no diference at all what device you watch it on. Its the same as NETFLIX was not to long ago before it opened up here in Thailand.

Now I am a Shield user  and I dont understand your list for a one box solution. The Shield can do all of that and so much more. I have the following

PLEX ,

NEFLIX UHD-4K HDR,

YOUTUBE HD/4K-UHD

IPTV, I use Flawless IPTV and run it through PERFECT Player,

AMAZON Prime Video 4k-UHD HDR - running via a VPN,

 

In addition to this you have 2 great medi players KODI & SPMC which makes the world your oyster with the multitude of addons that can be added.

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Wrong!!  If you want to watch Amazon Prime Video which is an international service (and is distinctly different from Amazon Video which is a geo locked Amazon account country service) you can subscribe to it and watch it on any laptop and their mobile phone apps which DO NOT require a VPN and which allow you to view the content which your region is licenced to show, in the same way that you can watch Netflix, also without a VPN.  The Amazon App embedded in the new Shield is the same as the Fire TV version and requires  a VPN to view the Amazon content.

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Nice one SooKee. I downloaded it onto my phone to take a look. Cheap as chips at 100baht for the first six months.

 

Unfortunately, when I installed it on my Minix 6 it doesn't work. I checked the system requirement for the Amazon app. and my Android box meets them.

 

Weird.

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Ah. That sucks. I thought it might actually work if it was the phone app that was downloaded. You'd think it would be the standard phone app that does work on the phone. Clearly not.

I actually quite like iFlix at the moment. 1,000 baht per year and has phone apps and website. I usually Airplay it to the TV from the laptop to get full screen. If you try to sling it from a phone you get the lower resolution and black borders. Not sure if it'd work on the Minix and I'm reluctant to buy one to find it doesn't. Only thing is. When I tried it on the Fire TV it's clearly an app designed for phone touchscreens and for the life of me I couldn't 'select' anything to play. I wondered if it'd work with the Minix air mouse.


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Wrong!!  If you want to watch Amazon Prime Video which is an international service (and is distinctly different from Amazon Video which is a geo locked Amazon account country service) you can subscribe to it and watch it on any laptop and their mobile phone apps which DO NOT require a VPN and which allow you to view the content which your region is licenced to show, in the same way that you can watch Netflix, also without a VPN.  The Amazon App embedded in the new Shield is the same as the Fire TV version and requires  a VPN to view the Amazon content.


I'm watching Amazon Prime TV on my Fire TV with no probs. Am I doing something wrong?
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How you are doing so without a VPN or DNS I'm not sure. Because the Fire TV contains the Geo coded version of their video app, Amazon Video NOT Amazon Prime. So how it's working I've no idea. It shouldn't be. Hence Amazon stressing the point that the Fire TV is NOT supported in non Amazon account countries and certainly not for Prime Video.

That said. Mine worked for a couple of days. Until I tried to do things with it from which I guess it picked up the Geo coding. Then nothing. So if yours is working without a VPN or some other form of location making I'm very surprised. Because it shouldn't be.


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How you are doing so without a VPN or DNS I'm not sure. Because the Fire TV contains the Geo coded version of their video app, Amazon Video NOT Amazon Prime. So how it's working I've no idea. It shouldn't be. Hence Amazon stressing the point that the Fire TV is NOT supported in non Amazon account countries and certainly not for Prime Video.

That said. Mine worked for a couple of days. Until I tried to do things with it from which I guess it picked up the Geo coding. Then nothing. So if yours is working without a VPN or some other form of location making I'm very surprised. Because it shouldn't be.


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It's only the Amazon Prime watch while away part, so only a dozen or so shows such at Grand Tour, Red Oaks and Hand of God.

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Yeah. Mine was working for a few days too. Then somehow, after I did a few things with it I started getting the 'we need to check your account'. I think it was after a software update. So I'm guessing it's OK up until something happens to kick in the Geo coding. Because technically it shouldn't work. There Fire TV Is only supported in Amazon Video account countries and is specifically NOT a Prime Video supported device. So I think it's a glitch that allows it to work. I'm also not sure if mine stopped working after I used one of the apps to access Prime after I'd got it working. But something sure triggers the 'computer says no' response from the box and makes it respond then as it should.


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Yeah. Mine was working for a few days too. Then somehow, after I did a few things with it I started getting the 'we need to check your account'. I think it was after a software update. So I'm guessing it's OK up until something happens to kick in the Geo coding. Because technically it shouldn't work. There Fire TV Is only supported in Amazon Video account countries and is specifically NOT a Prime Video supported device. So I think it's a glitch that allows it to work. I'm also not sure if mine stopped working after I used one of the apps to access Prime after I'd got it working. But something sure triggers the 'computer says no' response from the box and makes it respond then as it should.


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I cleared the cache on the Prime app and rebooted. No probs since.
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On 07/02/2017 at 5:29 PM, JaseTheBass said:

 


I cleared the cache on the Prime app and rebooted. No probs since.

 

 

I tried that. In fact tried everything except beating it with a mallet.  Seriously I HATE this thing!!!  That said, you might be returning to 'Watch Abroad' content, not 'Prime Video'.

 

As I said, my main needs are:

 

Plex

Netflix (HD preferably)

Prime Video HD (not the VPN / Amazon account country version)

YouTube HD

Deezer

IPTV if I ever wanted it

Ethernet port

Air Mouse compatible (having used one I will never go back to onscreen keyboards!!!)

 

Currently I'm using a Minix U9 which ticks ALL the boxes and very well too.  Likely to be good enough for me as a main box but 100% sure would be ideal as the bedroom box with the smaller TV.  Netflix is 480 though, not even 720, but it's still not ruining the experience.

 

The Shield is still up there as a contender BUT I need to be 100% sure they've sorted the Prime Video on that as it seens that Amazon have even managed to cock it up on the Shield app and, at $200, EVERYTHING I need will need to be running perfectly and with ANY problems at all.  Currently prime doesn't for many without them turning of location services and setting their language to English.  I mean, come on, for $200!!!!!

 

The Roku Premiere+ also seems a good unit.  Benefits from the RF remote and ethernet BUT there's no support for browsers and I'm not sure if it's Air Mouse compatible.  I'd also need to be certain about Prime Video on that too.  The Roku UI is also well dated now and while it's store has far more apps than others I'm not sure how useful they are or whether apps that I do need to use can be side loaded, will work (not sure if the Roku is Airmouse compatible and with the abysmal Fire TV experience without an Airmouse I wouldn't buy another device that wasn't compatible, and completely compatible).

 

 

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Further on the NVidia Shield.  I notice that the Shield now displays on Amazon (USA) as CAN be shipped to Thailand.  VERY hefty import deposit to be paid though!!! 3,495 baht if paying with a Thai credit card.  OK if that charge doesn't get levied and you get it back, or at least most of it.  Really REALLY expensive if you don't!!!! 

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