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17 hours ago, SooKee said:

Welcome, I'm still doing the crash course myself LOL.  I think you'll find the iFlix App will have installed fine.  But it is one of those dedicated phone / tablet apps designed for touch screen so, as with the U1, you'll need the air-mouse to use it.

 

I only use the Repo fallback shortcut generator as a last resort but it's great for allowing you to keep the Shield home screen which I actually think is quite good, being a non-partisan home screen like that on the Amazon centric Fire TV.  I've seen reports of folks using other launchers with mixed results but at the moment I need to do more with my life than sitting reading up on these things, just for the sake of aesthetics.  I did try TV Launcher but, while it looks OK, it doesn't seem to stick and pressing the home button takes you back the the Shield Home Screen from where you have to launch the damn thing again.  So I found that using this repo app to generate shortcuts for the 5-6 sideloads I have (Mobdro, UKTV Now, Terrarium, Show Box etc) to be quite good.

Well, when I came back from office last night, I found out that the apps that I remotely installed through Playstore from laptop were properly installed in the shield and appeared on the main menu.

I opened them and it work properly. The only problem I have is Iflix because I can't login. It says "wrong password" even after few try and I am sure about the username and password. I tried to login on iflix on my laptop and it work. Maybe something wrong with the network.

 

As for the external drive, after re-formated on exFat, I tried to connect it again. Not working. it appears on ES Explorer but when I click "open", the message is always "failed to open". Also, when remove it from the Shield and connect it to my laptop, it is not readable anymore. I had to format it again. I am wondering if I should reset to factory the shield?

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With iFlix I find it very easy to mistakenly put a space or a wrong character in the password and email address using an Android soft keyboard vs using a phone / tablet or physical keyboard.  IIRC I went to iFlix browser version and changed my password to one easier to input on Android boxes (I stress that's easier to input - not an easy password).  I managed to log in OK after that.  That said, if you're using a hotel network maybe it's that?  I have no end of problems with hotel networks.  Odd that you are even getting an 'incorrect password' response though if it's a network problem.

 

With the HDD, I really don't think a factory reset will help.  Try another explorer like X-Plore from the app store and see if it sees the drive OK.  Personally I don't like ES at all.  Sounds odd that the drive is not readable by your laptop just because you plugged it in to the Shield?  That shouldn't be happening.  Could the drive be failing? Have you tried maybe a spare USB thumb (or any other drive) to see if that mounts and is readable?  

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Picking up from earlier in the thread:

 

Amazon Prime: DOES work and pick up their Prime (international) service by default and of course it's HD not the max 480 SD that boxes using Android Mobile get.  There was an issue that some reported that those outside of Amazon account countries didn't see the app on their device and couldn't see it.  The work around was to disable location services and set the language to English, then the app showed up.  I had to do that too to get the app to appear on the home screen.  Now it's there though I can re-enable location services and it still plays, so it looks like it just needs to be disabled once to get the app on the screen.

 

Air-mouse: if you happen to have a Neo A3 that also works.  Unlike the A2 it doesn't hijack the audio (something the A2 Lite doesn't do).  It maybe that Shield software updates have fixed the audio hijack problem with the A2, not sure and don't intend to buy one to try.

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6 minutes ago, SooKee said:

Unlike the A2 it doesn't hijack the audio (something the A2 Lite doesn't do).  It maybe that Shield software updates have fixed the audio hijack problem with the A2, not sure and don't intend to buy one to try.

I recall another member talking about this problem with an air mouse, but it wasn't a Minix.

 

If I remember correctly his problem happened when he plugged in the USB dongle for his mouse... and the audio cut out.

 

Is that what you are talking about here?

 

Is it a common (or known) problem and hoe are people getting around it?

 

I'll do a search on the Forum to try and find the previous topic.

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18 minutes ago, Jai Dee said:

I recall another member talking about this problem with an air mouse, but it wasn't a Minix.

 

If I remember correctly his problem happened when he plugged in the USB dongle for his mouse... and the audio cut out.

 

Is that what you are talking about here?

 

Is it a common (or known) problem and hoe are people getting around it?

 

I'll do a search on the Forum to try and find the previous topic.

It was a problem Minix Neo A2 and I think there were reports of this and other problems with other remotes.  I hadn't searched around on Thai Visa or any other forums:  https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/838029/anybody-using-a-working-airmouse-remote-/

 

I was only interested in Minix remotes as I had one with the U9 and I was buying another one to keep in the bedroom with a Fire TV, knowing I'd be adding a Shield in time, so I wanted it to be compatible.  The full A2 was a no-no and AFAIK there was no fix.  Again, AFAIK there's no way to use these without their USB dongles as that acts as the remote's receiver.  The thread also contains remotes others are using with varying degrees of success.  As does this one:

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/863256/shield-android-tv/alternative-remote-thread-for-satv/

 

 

Can't stress enough how brilliant I find this app to be for creating fallback shortcuts to side loaded apps, making the appear on the home screen and allowing you to keep the default launcher:

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=news.androidtv.tvapprepo.playstore

 

 

Must admit I'm WELL impressed with the Shield.  So much so I think I'll order another from Amazon and sell off the U9 and Fire TVs.  I just need to check the Shield's wifi performance from the bedroom first.

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I found it... it was back in February this year here.

 

Another member had audio issues with an air mouse (but not on an Nvidia Shield box).

 

So from your link the Mele F10 Pro disables audio on the Shield as well as the Neo A2?

 

Strange... I only hear good things about the Minix NEO A2 Lite 2.4GHz wireless AirMouse.

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15 minutes ago, Jai Dee said:

I found it... it was back in February this year here.

 

Another member had audio issues with an air mouse (but not on an Nvidia Shield box).

 

So from your link the Mele F10 Pro disables audio on the Shield as well as the Neo A2?

 

Strange... I only hear good things about the Minix NEO A2 Lite 2.4GHz wireless AirMouse.

 

Hi.  Yup.  But note, the A2 Lite is fine, it's the A2 that messes with audio.  Distinct and different products.  And of course we're talking only about their use with the Shield, not the dozens of other boxes with which both may well work fine.

 

The A2 sound issue on the Shield may even have been overcome now with Shield OS upgrades, but no pint risking it IMO (at least until someone posts up that  they've tried  the A2 (or tried again) and found that it works), not when you can just get the A3 or A2 Lite.

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OK I understand the difference.

 

But what I don't understand is how some Android set top boxes (including the Shield) have system drivers that allow USB sound adapter redirection to /dev/null.

 

Off topic I know... but I am curious.

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14 minutes ago, Jai Dee said:

OK I understand the difference.

 

But what I don't understand is how some Android set top boxes (including the Shield) have system drivers that allow USB sound adapter redirection to /dev/null.

 

Off topic I know... but I am curious.

AFAIK it's simply inserting the USB dongle for the A2 (which is configured to use its mic/audio capabilities) which makes the media hub detect it as an audio device.  The the sound is diverted to the USB audio device, despite the fact that it's input capable only.  Without the ability to control sound over USB (inc. disable output to USB) your'e screwed.

 

The Minix A3 though is an audio capable remote too and that doesn't have the same problem.  It was the first remote I (mistakenly) plugged in to my Shield.  Maybe Nvidia have done something about it, or maybe Minix did with the remote / dongle design, maybe the were able to differentiate between input and output? That said, while it works as per the A2 Lite on the Shield, the mic on the A3 doesn't work.

 

As an aside, I find you do have to be really careful when taking out Minix remote dongles.  Be careful to grip the whole thing, both the USB enclosure cover and the part where it butts up to the device / hub once inserted.  I find they come apart way too easy, potentially allowing you to pull the cover off and the innards out (allowing them to drop on the floor or whatever) while leaving the plug still in the device!!  Not good!!

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FWIW, my initial findings with the Shield TV:

 

Pros

  • Well packaged
  • Superb build quality
  • East to set up
  • Powerful, fast!
  • Game and Remote controllers included
  • Controls very intuitive
  • Game controller very ergonomic
  • Ability to plug headphones into the remote is brilliant!!
  • Very fast update of OS and remote firmwares
  • Great UI overall, relatively well configurable
  • Android 7 Nougat (picture in picture support / recent apps / better settings navigation)
  • Android TV OS (but see below re one problem)
  • 4K, HDR, 60fps
  • Audio: AAC, WMAPro, AMR, DTS, FLAC, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, PCM, WAV, WMA
  • Video: ASF, AVI, MPEG-4, VC-1, VP8, VP9, WMV9, XviD, DivX, H.263, H.264, H.265, M2TS, MKV, MOV, MPEG-2
  • 3.0 GB RAM!
  • 16GB Storage (additonal adoptable over USB)
  • Good connectivity: USB-A 3.0 (2), Gigabit ethernet, Bluetooth 4.1, IEEE 802.11ac, IEEE 802.3z, HDMI 2.0b w/ HDCP 2.2 and CEC
  • HDMI CEC works!  (can control a sound bar (off / on / volume)
  • Amazon Prime Video (the international service).  Currently the ONLY device that can stream Amazon’s Prime service in HD (vs the SD (480) restricted version on generic (Android Mobile) boxes) at least until, or if, Amazon update the Fire TV
  • Netflix and YouTube HD 
  • iFlix and HooQ compatible
  • Kodi 17.1 compatible, stable and fast!
  • Google Voice Search
  • Can be used with an air-mouse (e.g. Minix Neo A2 Lite or A3) for ‘designed for mobile phones’ side-loaded apps
  • Browser use not bad (with an Air mouse)
  • GeForce Now and Game Stream
  • Now available to ship to many countries world-wide from Amazon without excessive import deposit
  • Works really well with bluetooth headphones such as the Kinivo range.

 

Cons

  • USB ports are very close together, MAY be an issue depending on how wide the plugs are on attached devices
  • Android TV.  The inability to sign in to some apps due to them being TV (view only) optimised is a pain in some cases (in my case - with internet radio apps).
  • Normal remote is usable but basic (but does include volume control!).  Good enough if you're sticking mostly with Android TV optimised apps
  • Side-loaded apps aren’t visible by default on the home screen (this can easily be fixed however with the TV Repo App which creates fall-back icons to your side-loaded apps)
  • Deezer (Android TV version): No background play and no ‘add to playlist’ function (need side-loaded APK).
  • Very limited options for other launchers (TV Launcher, HAL and Square Home Tablet seem to be OK).  I find them more of a hassle to use though
  • Take care when buying USB drives for storage, lots of reports of them running too hot, even some of the NVidia recommended ones.  I'm now using a Samsung BAR.  Seems fine, at the moment!

 

Other

  • Oddly, there’s no way to see the Shield’d MAC address anywhere in its settings so I needed to use another app to see it so I could reserve it an IP address for Plex.
  • Unlike the Neo A2 remote, the A3 (which is also a microphone enabled remote) does work with the Shield without hijacking it’s sound.  Microphone doesn’t work though.  Didn’t try to get it to work as the Shield’s own remotes work so well with voice I don’t need another.
  • Using too many side-loaded apps (designed for phones) will inevitably involve what becomes a REALLY annoying juggling of remotes as various keys / functions don’t always work.  The amount of side-loads you need MIGHT make this an issue.

 

So far the only thing I dislike about the Shield (and even then it’s only in one respect) is the Android TV OS!  Developers don’t seem to have caught on yet that devices like the Nvidia Shield (hardly a niche product!!) and Xiaomi Mi also use Android TV and that they are capable of interacting with dialogue boxes  Heck, Netflix has an Android TV app, and needs a log in, so why not other apps?  Would be better if other developers designed in the 'sign-in' options which clearly you could only use on a device where you are able to use some kind of input device.  This is actually quite a downside for me. 

 

Otherwise, I find it’s brilliant, a view that seems to be shared by lots of review sites and the glowing reviews online, such as at Amazon.

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23 hours ago, SooKee said:

With iFlix I find it very easy to mistakenly put a space or a wrong character in the password and email address using an Android soft keyboard vs using a phone / tablet or physical keyboard.  IIRC I went to iFlix browser version and changed my password to one easier to input on Android boxes (I stress that's easier to input - not an easy password).  I managed to log in OK after that.  That said, if you're using a hotel network maybe it's that?  I have no end of problems with hotel networks.  Odd that you are even getting an 'incorrect password' response though if it's a network problem.

 

With the HDD, I really don't think a factory reset will help.  Try another explorer like X-Plore from the app store and see if it sees the drive OK.  Personally I don't like ES at all.  Sounds odd that the drive is not readable by your laptop just because you plugged it in to the Shield?  That shouldn't be happening.  Could the drive be failing? Have you tried maybe a spare USB thumb (or any other drive) to see if that mounts and is readable?  

Well, last night, I followed your advice and tried with a spare USB thumb and it was working! So, it sound that my external drive (Seagate Backup) is not working with the Shield, even I tried on NTFS and Exfat. 

I also installed X Plore and TV app Repo.

As for Iflix, I uninstall it and re-install but I still can't login. I even installed VPN and use a Server in Thailand but still not work.

I will be back to Thailand this Saturday and will try again from there. I will also try others external drives that I have such as Western Digital and see if it work. At home, I have 2 Minix Neo U1 with the Minix Air Mouse A2 lite and will try with it. You definitively need a mouse or such mouse for the shield.

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What version of iFlix are you using?  Now I think about it I had a log in problem on one device IIRC, the app was out of date. I'm currently on 2.22.1.4051.  I have the Aptoide TV and Aptoide (mobile) store apps side-loaded too.  The latter does a very good job of version checking and updating, IIRC it was the TV store app that picked up iFlix being out of date.  I also have APK Updater installed and run that occasionally just in case the Aptoide stores have missed anything but I might bin APKU soon as Aptoide (mobile) seems to be more up to date.  I prefer getting apps from Aptoide over APK Pure and APK Mirror too TBH.

 

With the HDD, not sure what computer you're using but have you tried any diagnostics apps to check for problems?  Might be worth being sure that the device is failing before binning it.  Equally, better to find out that the drive DOES have a problem before you waste any time trying to fix it on the Shield.  Seagate have their own bunch here:  http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/006153en?language=en_US

 

The TV Repo app is great.  However, it's actually little more than a link to the browser version though AFAIK and it does the most basic job of creating a fall-back APK (e.g. there is a folder PNG but no banner that makes the shortcut look pretty on the Shield, matching system installed or 'for Android TV' apps).  Most of the time therefore I use the full browser version on a laptop, grabbing the images I want for both the icon (PNG) and banner (jpg) from the web.  Just get the app's full title (e.g. com.deezer.android) from 'show details' in X-Plore under 'Apps', generate the APK, download it and then send it to the Shield via 'Send Anywhere' which is part of Xplore and which has desktop and phone versions.  If you don't use the full version you just get a real basic grey background with an icon vs the the full ATV pretty version using the web.  I also just hit a snag with TV Repo, keeps stopping.  Maybe an app conflict (only thing I can think of is installing Opera over Chrome - which i did because Opera has back-button functionality that Chrome doesn't).  I'll get around to sorting it soon.  Or I might just wait until my next Shield comes, install TV Repo first and see which apk breaks it 5555.  As far as I can see there's no way to configure the repo app to allow you to add a banner to the apk.   For each app that you do this for you will have what appears to be two installs under your settings / apps list, the full app and the much smaller fall-back APK.

 

Repo APK maker site: http://atvlauncher.trekgonewild.de/index.php

 

On the subject of explorers I've found that my favourite, Solid Explorer (I have it on my U9)  can also be side-loaded and works well IF you have an air-mouse.  I replaced ES with XPlore on the U9 then replaced Xplore with Solid.  I might keep Xplore around though for the 'Send Anywhere' transfer, at least until I can figure out if Solid has the same thing or find another way to do it.  Too busy to look now.

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Currently are there any air mouse remotes where it does not interfere with Nvidia Shield TV sound output and can use the microphone on the air mouse?

 

Past posts seem to say A3 interferes with the Nvidia Shield sounds output. The A2 lite does not interfere with sound output but has no microphone. 

 

Any suggestions on an air mouse where sound outputs works and can use a mic?

 

Thanks in advance

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I'm not aware of any non-Nvidia remotes where the mic works.

 

The A2 Lite and A3 work and do not interfere with sound but the A3 mic does not work.

 

The A2 does interfere with Shield sound UNLESS Nvidia has changed something.  Not worth risking IMO.

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On 4/27/2017 at 11:01 AM, SooKee said:

What version of iFlix are you using?  Now I think about it I had a log in problem on one device IIRC, the app was out of date. I'm currently on 2.22.1.4051.  I have the Aptoide TV and Aptoide (mobile) store apps side-loaded too.  The latter does a very good job of version checking and updating, IIRC it was the TV store app that picked up iFlix being out of date.  I also have APK Updater installed and run that occasionally just in case the Aptoide stores have missed anything but I might bin APKU soon as Aptoide (mobile) seems to be more up to date.  I prefer getting apps from Aptoide over APK Pure and APK Mirror too TBH.

 

With the HDD, not sure what computer you're using but have you tried any diagnostics apps to check for problems?  Might be worth being sure that the device is failing before binning it.  Equally, better to find out that the drive DOES have a problem before you waste any time trying to fix it on the Shield.  Seagate have their own bunch here:  http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/006153en?language=en_US

 

The TV Repo app is great.  However, it's actually little more than a link to the browser version though AFAIK and it does the most basic job of creating a fall-back APK (e.g. there is a folder PNG but no banner that makes the shortcut look pretty on the Shield, matching system installed or 'for Android TV' apps).  Most of the time therefore I use the full browser version on a laptop, grabbing the images I want for both the icon (PNG) and banner (jpg) from the web.  Just get the app's full title (e.g. com.deezer.android) from 'show details' in X-Plore under 'Apps', generate the APK, download it and then send it to the Shield via 'Send Anywhere' which is part of Xplore and which has desktop and phone versions.  If you don't use the full version you just get a real basic grey background with an icon vs the the full ATV pretty version using the web.  I also just hit a snag with TV Repo, keeps stopping.  Maybe an app conflict (only thing I can think of is installing Opera over Chrome - which i did because Opera has back-button functionality that Chrome doesn't).  I'll get around to sorting it soon.  Or I might just wait until my next Shield comes, install TV Repo first and see which apk breaks it 5555.  As far as I can see there's no way to configure the repo app to allow you to add a banner to the apk.   For each app that you do this for you will have what appears to be two installs under your settings / apps list, the full app and the much smaller fall-back APK.

 

Repo APK maker site: http://atvlauncher.trekgonewild.de/index.php

 

On the subject of explorers I've found that my favourite, Solid Explorer (I have it on my U9)  can also be side-loaded and works well IF you have an air-mouse.  I replaced ES with XPlore on the U9 then replaced Xplore with Solid.  I might keep Xplore around though for the 'Send Anywhere' transfer, at least until I can figure out if Solid has the same thing or find another way to do it.  Too busy to look now.

So, I went back home to Phuket last week end and tried to find out about my Shield:

HDD: I tried with a spare HDD (WD 2TB) that I have at home and it was not working too. I then tried with a 2nd spare HDD (also WD 2TB) and then it work immediately. I loaded with some movies and music and no issue at all. Hard to understand.

Iflix: No way, it's not working. Impossible to login. I checked the version of the app and it is the same that you mentioned (2.22.1.4051). It just said that my username or password are incorrect. I contacted the Iflix customer support and they told me that Iflix is not compatible with Android TV yet. They suggested me to use Chromecast instead... I then tried with Chromecast using my mobile phone and it work.

I followed your advice and turn off the location and managed to sign in with Amazon Prime. No issue at all.

As I saw you were mentioning about Plex (which I had no clue about it), I decided to try. I have an old Mac at home that I am not using anymore. I installed Plex Media Server, create an account, and load my media files. It's work very well, I am surprise. I can even open my files from Myanmar.

I played around with the Shield, installed some apps, using sideload as you suggest. So now, I am happy with it so far.

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