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No I am not being funny and making oxymorons here when I am requesting suggestions for an honest attorney. :o

If you have one or know of one in Chiang Mai please post the name and contact info and I'll thank you for doing that.

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No I am not being funny and making oxymorons here when I am requesting suggestions for an honest attorney. :o

If you have one or know of one in Chiang Mai please post the name and contact info and I'll thank you for doing that.

Just ask for an attorney GR. Specifying an honest one is making it a bit too hard to advise you :D

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When I first read this guys first post ,I knew he was gonna turn out to be a comedian, See I tol you so. :o

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No I am not being funny and making oxymorons here when I am requesting suggestions for an honest attorney. :o

If you have one or know of one in Chiang Mai please post the name and contact info and I'll thank you for doing that.

Just ask for an attorney GR. Specifying an honest one is making it a bit too hard to advise you :D

got it Doc, don't know what I was thinking, I just got carried away there for a moment. :D

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You can try Khun Pipat (053) 242-900

He is also still John Shaw's lawyer, I think.

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You can try Khun Pipat (053) 242-900

He is also still John Shaw's lawyer, I think.

Thanks Adjarn, gives me a good place to start, don't know John Shaw however.

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Thanks Ajarn, gives me a good place to start, don't know John Shaw however.

He's a nice guy, well respected, been around here a long time, and he's smart. Don't think he'd engage a shyster.

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Also used him,and it was straight forward and professional.Seemed to know what he was doing and prices were reasonable.cheers :o

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While education doesn't always insure quality or honesty, keep in mind that Thai lawyers have an undergraduate education in law, not the rigorous education or tough bar examinations found in many U.S. states.

The one "lawyer" I found from the U.S. Consulate list and confirmed with ad in Chian Mai magazine was of such poor quality as to be embarrassing. He was instructed by the land office how to record my lease-back and mortgage document.

When I questioned the simplistic and inarticulate verbiage he explained it was in the translation and Thai law is code law, not common law as in the U.S.

He charged me 40k for two documents and he presence at the recording. He required a ride back to his office, explaining he had given his car to someone for the day, he had taken a Songtel to the land office. I have since learned his fee was exhorbitant.

He was honest. but it was the efforts of the land office staff who got the documents right. He didn't really understand the principle of sale lease-back and I doubt he had much business law experience.

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While education doesn't always insure quality or honesty, keep in mind that Thai lawyers have an undergraduate education in law, not the rigorous education or tough bar examinations found in many U.S. states.

The one "lawyer" I found from the U.S. Consulate list and confirmed with ad in Chian Mai magazine was of such poor quality as to be embarrassing. He was instructed by the land office how to record my lease-back and mortgage document.

When I questioned the simplistic and inarticulate verbiage he explained it was in the translation and Thai law is code law, not common law as in the U.S.

He charged me 40k for two documents and he presence at the recording. He required a ride back to his office, explaining he had given his car to someone for the day, he had taken a Songtel to the land office. I have since learned his fee was exhorbitant.

He was honest. but it was the efforts of the land office staff who got the documents right. He didn't really understand the principle of sale lease-back and I doubt he had much business law experience.

Noted, thanks

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While education doesn't always insure quality or honesty, keep in mind that Thai lawyers have an undergraduate education in law, not the rigorous education or tough bar examinations found in many U.S. states.

The one "lawyer" I found from the U.S. Consulate list and confirmed with ad in Chian Mai magazine was of such poor quality as to be embarrassing.  He was instructed by the land office how to record my lease-back and mortgage document.

When I  questioned the simplistic and inarticulate verbiage he explained it was in the translation and Thai law is code law, not common law as in the U.S.

He charged me 40k for two documents and he presence at the recording. He required a ride back to his office, explaining he had given his car to someone for the day, he had taken a Songtel to the land office.  I have since learned his fee was exhorbitant. 

He was honest. but it was the efforts of the land office staff who got the documents right.  He didn't really understand the principle of sale lease-back and I doubt he had much business law experience.

Noted, thanks

If you want perfection go to an office with the western lawyers. Tilleke Gibbins is a good example. Costly, but right down the line.

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If you want perfection go to an office with the western lawyers. Tilleke Gibbins is a good example. Costly, but right down the line.

Please give me some contact info Doc, I don't want any surprises with my additional investments in LOS. Thanks

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If you use Tilleke and Gibbons, make sure a Thai person calls them up first and explain what help is needed and ask what their fees are. Maybe even ask to have a written quote faxed over. That person should not mention to them that a farang is involved.

When my wife was going to buy land, we contacted T&G. First she called them and got one rate. Later I contacted them without mentioning that my wife had already contacted them and got quoted a much higher rate (almost twice what she got quoted as I remember it). I got pissed off at them because of this so we ended up not using a lawyer.

The land office people were very helpful and knowledgeable and made sure all documents were in order. In our case it would have been a total waste to use a lawyer, maybe even counterproductive since the staff at the land office may have been less helpful with a lawyer involved. But I guess it varies depending on what you are doing, what land office you go to and even who takes care of you there.

Anyway, you will find all their contact info at http://www.tillekeandgibbins.com/

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