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National Park in Krabi refuses to stop fleecing tourists - authorities preparing for "double pricing" showdown today

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21 minutes ago, paul545 said:

In the past I have shown my work permit to Government run venues and others such as Sri Racha Tiger Zoo, Erawan Museum, Mueang Boran and been charged the Thai price and more recently I have used my Farang Pink ID card to enter places like Pattaya floating market where it is free for Thai but Baht 200 for Farang and got in free. If you are a long term Farang resident then get the ID card it's so much easier and stops you getting high blood pressure :)

You are citing private "circuses" or tourist attractions - rather than the DNPs policy.

However, it does underline the fact that there is a nationwide acceptance of 2-tier pricing  policies - this would indicate that there needs to be a sea-change in public awareness - it is NOT a logical policy and in the long run benefits no-one.

 

I have WP/Visa?tax etc et....I have entered NPs at reduced rates many times - but also have had to pay the full amount........the policy of ALL foreigners paying in full has bee reinforced about a year ago which makes access at a lower rate more difficult - I find my best weapon is speaking reasonably good conversational Thai...this often puts any over-zealous official in a position of acute embarrassment.

but at the end of the day, we shouldn't have to be negotiating a different price, it should be the same for all with concessions for special groups - the elderly, students etc etc....

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In my opinion, they should raise the rate for Thais not ncessarily lower it for foreigners, though for maximum revenues, this is something they will have to figure out. When we went to Kaeng Kra Chang earlier this month there was a traffic jam half way up a mountain, 40 kms inside this beautiful park at 6am. You expect this in BKK but not in the jungle! At least charge 500 THB per car for such places and only those who really want to go will cough up the cash. By all means have season tickets and concessions for students, the poor (difficult to prove in this country I'll admit) or a lottery, first to book cheap ticket scheme etc so those local enthusiasts can still enjoy the natural beauty that Thailand has to offer. However, selfishly speaking, I'd prefer to pay a premium to have peace and quiet. As the system is now, we get the worst of all worlds, paying a premium and then having to put up with a second rate experience due to congestion and over crowding. As it was, having got up at 5am, staying right outside the park entrance and we still missed the sunrise. Who would have thought that would be the case?  BTW, after the masses had taken their selfies with the fog sea behind them, they all disappeared from whence they came and left the rest of us to enjoy the excellent wildlife and nature that the park has to offer.

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1 hour ago, rudidep said:

Two tiered pricing by private enterprise (especially when using Thai script to hide the Thai prices) is despicable. This is different. Two-tiered pricing is set at all national parks in Thailand, and clearly posted in both English and Thai. I was told that the underlying rationale is that a flat fee to cover the cost of upkeep of the parks would raise the price of a ticket to a level where it would no longer be affordable for the average-income Thai family. Hence low prices for Thai, high prices for Tourists. There some logic to this...whether acceptable or not is a different matter and leave it to the forum to decide. Cheers.

" I was told that the underlying rationale is that a flat fee to cover the cost of upkeep of the parks would raise the price of a ticket to a level where it would no longer be affordable for the average-income Thai family. Hence low prices for Thai, high prices for Tourists. There some logic to this...whether acceptable or not is a different matter and leave it to the forum to decide."

 

- this is patently misinformation - entrance fees ae only a part of the cost of running a park and the 2-tier pricing makes no signifiant difference. If you care to dig around, tere was a paer on this several years back that suggested a uniform entrance fee and a review of funding of national parks.

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Angkor Wat in Cambodia is now $37 for foreigners.................FREE for Cambodians.  And the bloody place was opened up and is restored  by foreign governments"!!!!

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I thank the Chief of National Park for NOT changing his prices.

Tourisme in Krabi changed in the last years, I'm living here for 13 years so I have a little experience.

The fees for National Park did not change in the last years.

 

Krabi was visited by lots of back packers, who wanted to go around cheap cheap.

Now we have lots of families who like to be transported with a little more comfort,

Speedboats are fully booked on the same tour and the longtail boats lost 60 % of their customers.

Not because the entrance fee, but because a noisy non stable boat and wooden banches, with a 2 step ladder and customers walking

from the boat in  1 meter water towards and from the beach. Elderly people are pushed and pulled on the longtailboats.

Speedboats use the harbor.

It is funny to see how they treat the customers as cattle.

 

Next to that the amount of longtail boats went from 200 till 700 in just 2 years but the volume of customers did not increased that much.

Not blame Us, longtail boat drivers, we made money long time ago and customers come every day, blame every body else.

 

Total Ao Nang area has NO clue about tourisme and many shop owners, including Foreign shop owners, keep on telling:

It does not matter how I treat a customers, Krabi is nice and people will come.

 

Some customers, as read in the OP 60% start seeing the difference in tours and change their plans.

Time to change your service towards customers to keep them coming into your shop, boat, restaurant etc.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Abilene said:

400 baht might be a good price...   I see the Thai rate more as a discount reflecting comparable wages.

On that basis you are happy to pay 450 baht for Pad Thai at a street stall???.... get your head around racism!!!

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I went to Hong Islands last week. 300 bahts entrance fee. All the beaches were crammed, so not sure why boa operators could complain.

This two-tiered pricing is just another bribe. Most of the money don't go to the Park but to the so-called officers. 

Some boat operators include the entrance fee in their fares (like mine), some don't.

In any case, no one did get a ticket from the Park and our boat operator did not even went to the Park booth when we arrived on Hong.

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There are 75 embassies in Bangkok. I doubt none are unaware of double+ pricing for foreigners throughout Thailand.

Citizens of these countries must put pressure on their respective embassies, ie., by petitions, emails, phone calls, etc., to demand the discrimination stop. If your country representative is not supportive, contact your homeland government to legislate equal treatment of Thais in your homeland quid pro quo. On a case-by-case basis the Thai government will not take notice.

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1 hour ago, rudidep said:

Two tiered pricing by private enterprise (especially when using Thai script to hide the Thai prices) is despicable. This is different. Two-tiered pricing is set at all national parks in Thailand, and clearly posted in both English and Thai. I was told that the underlying rationale is that a flat fee to cover the cost of upkeep of the parks would raise the price of a ticket to a level where it would no longer be affordable for the average-income Thai family. Hence low prices for Thai, high prices for Tourists. There some logic to this...whether acceptable or not is a different matter and leave it to the forum to decide. Cheers.

the upkeep of the park is paid for by the taxpayers money .if you work here you pay tax (hopefully)everything you buy is taxed especially items for foreigners (luxury Tax) so the should be happy with the same  flat rate for everyone . the thing the do now is racist

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2 hours ago, steffi said:

It's not double pricing it's two tiered pricing.

Yep had some 2 tiered pricing yesterday at Erawan national park.  Thai 100..

Farang ie me and my kids 300 each RICH FARANG.. 

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It is funny to see how they treat the customers as cattle.

20 years ago, just as Koh Chang started to change from a relaxed place for back packers to stay by the beach and become friends with the locals, I was getting off a boat when one of the local Thai men on the jetty shouted out: " Mee Farang, kee tua?". None of the other foreigners understood what was going on, but when I passed him on my way of the boat I said in a firm and loud voice so others could understand, "Farang bpen kon, mai bpen sat!" Pretty sure he got some broken face over that but it was a sign of things to come, and now  like most Thai beach areas where there are foreign tourists, it is ruined by greedy and short sighted people just looking for a quick buck. So sad :( 

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Beautiful. Finally. This kind of protest is so long overdue. Double pricing would be fine with most people. But there is no reason for five to ten times. It is extortion. Most of us hate it. I avoid national parks whenever I can, even though there are some very nice ones here. Withdraw your support. Show them how heinous this practice is. Stop the piracy. Stop it now. 

 

As usual Little P. is showing absolutely no moral guidance, nor effective leadership. Always absent on the job. Little P. Moving Thailand backwards at an alarming pace.

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6 hours ago, webfact said:

Chief Sarayuth said that police and military personnel were on alert for trouble though he said that the authorities will act within the law.

Standard answer. Act within the law priceless. These extra bahts charged must be finding a home at the top of the food chain or be part of well you know who's budget.

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15 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Angkor Wat in Cambodia is now $37 for foreigners.................FREE for Cambodians.  And the bloody place was opened up and is restored  by foreign governments"!!!!

THere are plenty of foreign-funded places in Thailand where tey impose a 2-tier system - Bang Chiang is a World Heritage site and they do this.

 

however there is a wealth of opinion that the current increases will do little for angkor's finances as it may reduce te numbers of visitors...... one certainly would need to monitor closely where this money goes.

 

 

A few years back I stumbled across a rort at Kaeng Krachan - there used to be a notice at the ranger HQ stating that foreigners with appropriate docs could enter at the lower rate. (this ahas since bee stopped). at the time i din't buy my ticket there but drove to the entrance near the forest...here I was told in no uncertain terms that I had to pay FULL price as did the other 2 vehicles with me. We made a circus out of turning round and bought tickets back at the Ranger HQ.

i also reported the man at the entrance. What he was doing was takin advantage of foreigners and pocketing the difference for himself.

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