Blacklisted Englishman desperate to return home to Thailand after being deported as his children suffer without him

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Blacklisted Englishman desperate to return home to Thailand after being deported as his children suffer without him

 

Picture: Thairath

 

BANGKOK: -- Thai Rath online have taken up the case of a Englishman who was deported from Thailand after an argument with neighbors in Phuket several years ago.

 

Life turned upside down for John David Young who had lived in Thailand for two decades. Now his children that he was looking after have a variety of problems and are missing their dad.

 

Thai Rath reported that an increasing number of foreigners are making roots in Thailand but when things go wrong it may be their children that suffer if they are deported or blacklisted.

 

In the case of Mr Young they said that he had started a sports bar business in Phuket. An initial relationship with a Thai woman had turned sour and she had fled abroad to marry another man - leaving him with a boy to look after who is now 14.

 

Thereafter he had a second relationship and a daughter with another woman who subsequently left him too and went to live in Pattaya. The girl was also being looked after by Mr Young and is now seven years old.

 

But things really took a turn for the worse when an argument over noise at one Halloween caused a fight between Mr Young and his female Thai neighbor and her foreign husband.

 

Though Mr Young suffered a broken arm and other injuries he was the one who was charged with going into the neighbor's house to cause trouble.

 

He was given sentences on two charges totaling 3 years in jail that was reduced by half on admission. This was suspended but he was deported leaving the children separated and in the hands of friends and relatives.

 

In the intervening time the son has had emotional problems and run away from home and the daughter is in a situation where she lives near a bar and there are reports that she is upset at school.

 

Teachers said she misses her dad and wants him to come home. 

 

A welfare group has taken up the case saying that they have the best interests of the children at heart and think that Mr Young should be allowed to return to Thailand. They have made representations to the interior ministry and immigration and the matter is being looked into.

 

Princess Maha Chakri Sirindthorn was also contacted on behalf of the children but while Her Royal Highness appreciated the plight of the children she said in a letter to the family that the matter must be dealt with according to the law.

 

Mr Young is reportedly now living in Malaysia. A friend has taken the children to visit him both there, in Singapore and in Bali over the last few years but Mr Young is desperate to return to Thailand that he considers home.

 

Thai Rath said that having the children live in the United Kingdom was not an option as they did not have UK passports. It was claimed that Mr Young had some problem regarding living in his homeland though this was not adequately explained in the story.

 

But the bottom line was that Mr Young had been parted from his children who he was taking care of, the children were suffering and that many people both Thai friends and Thai officialdom and a family lawyer were fighting for his return to the kingdom.

 

He had been blacklisted but this was essentially unfair; justice should be done in the case, reported Thai Rath online.

 

Commenting on the case immigration chief Nathatorn Phrosunthorn outlined in a separate story that there were essentially two reasons why people might be deported.

 

Simply put, he said, there were those that committed crimes abroad who were deported and there were those that had committed crimes within Thailand.

 

In the case of Mr Young the court had decided that after he broke the law he should be deported. If the court had decided that he should remain in the kingdom then immigration were bound by that decision, he said.

 

Nathathorn commented further that when five years had passed Mr Young could apply to return.

 

Sources: Thai Rath, Thai Rath

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-03-22

[Orac]

Without an adequate explanation of why he can't return to the UK the alarm bells should be ringing, particularly since he has a conviction for violence in Thailand.

[NCC1701A]

wait till I get some popcorn...

 

ok. go.

 

 

[colinneil]

If he went to his neighbours house and made problems, sorry no sympathy for him.

We all know that we are only visitors here, and many times not happy with things going on around us.

You have to grin and bear it sometimes.

Him getting irate with his neighbours has created these problems for him, only himself to blame.

Unfortunately it is always the children that suffer.

[nev]

Lesson to us all living in Thailand, keep your head down and keep out of trouble or one day your dream of living here will be wiped out in a instance.

[saroq]

"It was claimed that Mr Young had some problem regarding living in his homeland though this was not adequately explained in the story."  Problems seem to follow this guy no matter where he lives.  I wonder why?

[Luckysilk]

Simple Mr. Young, get a job in the UK and get your kiddies to the UK, they will thank you later.

[mick220675]

It dose show how insecure we are living in Thailand, once you are involved with the police any thing can happen.

 

I live near a Danish man who likes a drink, after crashing his car while drunk he was told to go to immigration were they informed him if it happen'd again he would be deported.

 

Money can solve most of these problems. A American in the next village to me was convicted of underage sex in Thailand, sentenced to 14 years he served 2 before being deported. After 6 months in the US he spent a year in Cambodia then paid 40,000 baht and has been back in Thailand for the last two years.

 

 

[worgeordie]

Has a job keeping his women too,

regards worgeordie

[the guest]

2 minutes ago, mick220675 said:

It dose show how insecure we are living in Thailand, once you are involved with the police any thing can happen.

 

I live near a Danish man who likes a drink, after crashing his car while drunk he was told to go to immigration were they informed him if it happen'd again he would be deported.

 

Money can solve most of these problems. A American in the next village to me was convicted of underage sex in Thailand, sentenced to 14 years he served 2 before being deported. After 6 months in the US he spent a year in Cambodia then paid 40,000 baht and has been back in Thailand for the last two years.

 

 

Very true. All of us are living on a knife-edge, and at any moment there could be a knock on the door, and you could be deported without any reason given. Why would you wish to make any permanent plans in Thailand?

[Jim walker]

all his own doing keep him out if he cares so much about the children he can pay for good care or get them over to England with him easy to sort no need for the big bleeding heart story he is obviously a difficult person to live with two wife's run away from him in 20 years and scrapping with the neighbours keep this type out of Thailand we don't need anymore rif raf here

[claffey]

When you have a child with a Thai lady the first thing you do is get two passports for them. One for Thailand and one for your home country. He deserves no sympathy. They are British citizens and he could easily arrange for them to receive British passports and join him abroad. His kids do deserve sympathy having somebody like that for a child.

[ChangMaiSausage]

15 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Simple Mr. Young, get a job in the UK and get your kiddies to the UK, they will thank you later.

Never that easy

[jonclark]

This sadly reflects on how Thailand's immigration laws are just not fit for purpose. 

 

When people have family and roots in a country they cannot simply be thrown away and discarded like an unwanted toy that has lost its charm when they fall foul of the law. Where is the perspective? 

 

The net result of this disproportion response is that two young Thai citizens are growing up with emotional issues, lacking any form of support network and in all likelihood a bright future. And a father who will not be there to comfort and raise his children. 

 

Deportation is fine for serious crime where life or national security are threatened, but for an argument that got out of control?? 

 

Thai Immigration Laws need changing!

 

 

 

 

[cyberfarang]

10 minutes ago, the guest said:

Very true. All of us are living on a knife-edge, and at any moment there could be a knock on the door, and you could be deported without any reason given. Why would you wish to make any permanent plans in Thailand?

Only for the losers. Most of us have no problems.

[Suradit69]

10 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Simple Mr. Young, get a job in the UK and get your kiddies to the UK, they will thank you later.

Yes because life for Asians or mixed race children in UK is such a bowl of cherries.

 

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The number of people aged 16-24 who are not in full-time education or employment has increased by 8,000 over the last quarter. With 498,000 in that age group without a job, an analysis by the House of Commons library for Labourshows that young people now fare comparatively worse than at any point since 1992.

 

And then there's the problem that he apparently is unable to return to UK or to have the children live there with him.

 

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Thai Rath said that having the children live in the United Kingdom was not an option as they did not have UK passports. It was claimed that Mr Young had some problem regarding living in his homeland though this was not adequately explained in the

 

[Suradit69]

4 minutes ago, jonclark said:

When people have family and roots in a country they cannot simply be thrown away and discarded like an unwanted toy that has lost its charm when they fall foul of the law. Where is the perspective? 

So are you saying it would have been better for all concerned if he had been put in prison for awhile while the children were left to fend for themselves?

 

Or maybe if you manage to produce a few children you can feel free to behave as you please with no consequences?

[Borzandy]

46 minutes ago, colinneil said:

If he went to his neighbours house and made problems, sorry no sympathy for him.

We all know that we are only visitors here, and many times not happy with things going on around us.

You have to grin and bear it sometimes.

Him getting irate with his neighbours has created these problems for him, only himself to blame.

Unfortunately it is always the children that suffer.

"his female Thai neighbor and her foreign husband. Though Mr Young suffered a broken arm and other injuries" as you know we never know the truth.

[AGareth2]

sad tale

one wonders if he has brought it on himself

[Golden Triangle]

This is so easy to solve, go home to the UK, change your name by deed poll, get new passport and return to LoS, if a convicted Pedo can do it anyone can 

[jonclark]

5 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

So are you saying it would have been better for all concerned if he had been put in prison for awhile while the children were left to fend for themselves?

 

Or maybe if you manage to produce a few children you can feel free to behave as you please with no consequences?

I'm saying the the punishment and consequence should be proportional to the crime, irrespective of whether you have children or not. A fine, with a wai  and an apology would have been sufficient here (along with the hospital bill for his broken arm). 

 

[mamypoko]

Might be a little room here to toss some compassion his way...spin it correctly and Immigration might earn a fresh, sticky, new gold star. Recommend working the kids angle

[Berkshire]

What an odd story.  So who are the children staying with?  If not their mothers, why not?  Is he not paying child support?  And why was he deported/blacklisted?  This dude has got some problems.

[Rickster]

59 minutes ago, colinneil said:

If he went to his neighbours house and made problems, sorry no sympathy for him.

We all know that we are only visitors here, and many times not happy with things going on around us.

You have to grin and bear it sometimes.

Him getting irate with his neighbours has created these problems for him, only himself to blame.

Unfortunately it is always the children that suffer.

Congratulations for stating the obvious

[balo]

13 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

This is so easy to solve, go home to the UK

 

Didn't you read the article ? He can't go back to the UK. And why is that ? Is he wanted there? Criminal past ?  

He can only blame himself, two relationships that went wrong, violence and a 3 year sentence in Thailand.  

He is what immigration would describe as a bad guy and as we all know , good guys in , bad guys out is the new slogan . 

Sorry about his kids though. 

 

[lonewolf99]

Yeah - two people are missing in this story. The Mothers............!!!

 

This tome seems fairly prevalent in S.E. Asia, not just Thailand.....Mama take care, sister take care, I can't be bothered with them, it is more sanook to work Agogo.....etc.,

 

There has to be something missing in the mental maternal make of a mother that can just walk out on her kids. In the west the women would bolt from a bloke this and take the kids with them.

 

Also where is the Thai father of the first child ?

 

 

 

[NCC1701A]

maybe he can use that photo with the broken arm as his main photo on Thai Friendly or Badoo.

 

Never too late to start over.

 

and the girls will know what they are getting into.

 

 

[Tatsujin]

34 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Only for the losers. Most of us have no problems.

Love the confidence, fingers crossed it stays that way for you.

[SpeakeasyThai]

1 hour ago, Orac said:

Without an adequate explanation of why he can't return to the UK the alarm bells should be ringing, particularly since he has a conviction for violence in Thailand.

A perfectly adequate explanation of why anybody can't return to the UK would be it's a cold, dark, depressing miserable over populated hole!

[SpeakeasyThai]

15 minutes ago, lonewolf99 said:

Yeah - two people are missing in this story. The Mothers............!!!

 

This tome seems fairly prevalent in S.E. Asia, not just Thailand.....Mama take care, sister take care, I can't be bothered with them, it is more sanook to work Agogo.....etc.,

 

There has to be something missing in the mental maternal make of a mother that can just walk out on her kids. In the west the women would bolt from a bloke this and take the kids with them.

 

Also where is the Thai father of the first child ?

 

 

 

Bolt from the bloke and then Social Services ruin the bloke for life.