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On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 3:57 PM, LburtonL said:

what are the costof those ?

    I bought a full hormone and bodybuilding package.   I went to a specialty clinic that does this work.   Voskran.    I have spent around 2K USA money. 

    It included a full endrocrinology panel.  All the hormones and many of the blood markers were sent out to the lab.  Get a PSA test guys!  U don't want to stimulate prostrate cancer in your body with this protocol!  I will dig up the full sheet of exams at some point.  It is important not to look at TEST injection AS A DO ALL SAVIOR.   If you have low thyroid or some precursor hormones missing more test is like pumping 5 more gallons of fuel into a car with a full gas tank.  Nothing more happens.   There was a full 45 minute consultation with the doctor.  I did learn some new things.  No grain products or insulin stimulating products at breakfast it decreases the absorption of testosterone you produce overnight.  I gave up grains and juices a long while back.  He had the usual advice to diet and exercise.  He preferred organic food saying he thinks drops in testosterone world-wide might be due to pesticides and fertilizer absorption.  He said to eat dates which are the highest source of a mineral that helps stimulate testosterone in the body.   I had heard this on a webcast before. 

      He then recommended HGH (human growth hormone),  mine is too low to measure, DHEA mine needs to be boosted a few 100 points.  Melatonin to get the 8 hours of rest.  Nebedio to boost test and Cortisol (strangely u need a balance of this and finally with rest relaxation and retirement I went to low on the scale)  and I get a weekly shot of Primobolan since I am on weekly body building program with a trainer.

     This package was expensive!  I paid almost 550 USD for the test.  They probably run 900 dollars in the USA if you can find a doctor that does this work which is impossible.  The testosterone and HGH and primobolan are all legit.   They are in the original marked unopened packages.  The fact that the clinic has an international reputation and does this work as one of its specialties is about as far as you can go with verifying authenticity.   It is not a scam clinic offering ur HGH pills and powder (proven to be NOTHING) or TESTO supplements made out of yams...etc...

      All the medications for 10 weeks hit about 1500 USD. 

      So this costs about 2K USA money. 

      My estimate would be that if you are RICH in the USA you might be able to get this package for 7K-25K.   The government has made it harder than hell for doctors wanting to use this protocol so the remaining guys are charging a combat premium so to speak.

      I would be very unwilling to just pop into a Pattya pharmacy and buy some crap and inject myself without a doctor's supervision.  Call me old-fashioned!  Call me wanting to avoid prostrate cancer, Call me a nervous nelly that wants to take advantage of every piece of science available to me. 

       Once again if you will review my original link to Bayer's Neibedo product it is being marketed now as way to decrease male beer guts.  I don't drink and my gut had reduced itself before this treatment.  I am working on the rolls of fat at the backside of my body. Champion love handles!  I am also working on decreasing the fat mass and increasing the muscles.  Trying to beat a VERY HIGH rating of visceral fat.

       My health club has a tanita scale which does a full body composition analyzer software.  It does a 4 point electrical impedance measurement thru the body.  No you can't feel it.  The product manual on the internet says it is within +-.05 of the hard to find dexa scan equipment.  This is good enough for me.  It's free with my membership.  I have measurements from the beginning of my workout and will do one last one in late may and do a wrap up on what I have learned.

       We will see.

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Tropo, could you address the use of HcG in addition to doing an injectable testosterone  routine?  Thanks for the information provided earlier in the thread...excellent intelligence for us contemplating TRT.

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On 4/6/2017 at 3:13 PM, xerostar said:

Thanks for that Tropo.

My GP here in Oz doesn't seem to know much about it.

He sent me for tests on testosterone.

My research tells me that there is a lot more to it than that. 

I tried to get him to prescribe oestrogen blockers but he wasn't interested.

I think that's my problem my liver wants me to be a girl with tits and all Ha Ha.

So do you do the  1,000mcg shot of Neibedo or do you use some other method. 

Take zinc to block estrogen, preferable liquid zinc, one can have a problem absorbing zinc tablet

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The op says androgel failed to work, I smeared it on. Maybe you didn't apply it correctly, I use a cream I buy in the states I was advised to apply on the biceps and triceps rubbing until surface became dry. Could be you smeared it on and it never was absorbed.

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OP how is your thyroid it could be low, and do not except the low normal from a DR. the range is so broad low normal could be killing you.

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2 hours ago, moe666 said:

The op says androgel failed to work, I smeared it on. Maybe you didn't apply it correctly, I use a cream I buy in the states I was advised to apply on the biceps and triceps rubbing until surface became dry. Could be you smeared it on and it never was absorbed.

      Thanks I was curious as why it didn't work.   I reviewed using Androgel on the site and I did administer it properly.  Most people are under the mistaken belief that all drugs work all the time for everyone perfectly.   I looked this up directly on the Androgel site over in the prescribing info for medical professionals this is  the results and data from the first clinical trial the company conducted.  It said,"

Key findings included:

  • 82% of men were within the average normal serum testosterone range on Day 112"
  •     So if you round a little it works 80% of the time meaning that almost 20%  are getting nothing from the medication.  This would mean 1 in 5 men will not get any effect from Androgel. 
  •      Since this was the companies clinical trial to get the drug approved I am sure all participants were carefully instructed and perhaps even supervised the first few administrations of the gel.
  •       If you Google it there are a lot of cranky crabby old men who couldn't get this gel to work. 
  •       Basically you just go on to the next thing you can try once you are sure that there is no further use working with Androgel.
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Tropo is giving excellent advice, more frequent injects are better I do a weekly inject of test E. 

 

The whole reason they advertise stuff for 3 weeks is because people are afraid of needles. Believe me after a few injects it will go a lot better.

 

I had help from a friend at first now I have no problem of doing it now.

 

I use an 18G needle to suck the liquid and later an 23 G needle 1 inch long to inject in my leg. I inject test E.

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22 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

Tropo, could you address the use of HcG in addition to doing an injectable testosterone  routine?  Thanks for the information provided earlier in the thread...excellent intelligence for us contemplating TRT.

 
 

Let's make this clear... I'm discussing TRT for people who are over the age of 50 and near 60. Their natural testosterone production is already low.

 

If you think you can improve your testosterone levels naturally, try that first because TRT is a one-way-street. Whatever low-level production you currently have will become much lower once you start supplementing with an exogenous source of the hormone.

 

hCG is a hormone which can help prevent the testes from shrinking. They are going to shrink when you supplement with testosterone - that's a certainly. You're basically taking them off-line and they no longer need to produce their own testosterone, causing atrophy. If you don't use it - you lose it sums it up well. If you're concerned with the size of your testes for cosmetic reasons, then, by all means, inject hCG... but the problem is that if you're doing TRT, then the problem will be permanent and you'll need to keep injecting hCG to maintain testes size... and also, it's difficult to find the real hormone as there's a lot of useless and/or fake hCG getting around - and even that's expensive.

 

It's more useful for young punters who cycle on and off short courses of anabolic steroids and want to maintain the size and function of their testes.

 

Once again, if you haven't already started TRT, think long and hard about it, and weigh up all the pros and cons first. If your testosterone levels are still reasonable, try natural methods first. Also, make sure that once you start you'll be able to find a regular source of the hormone because your own production levels will disappear quickly if you start TRT and if you're caught without it, you'll be worse off than before you started. You could find it impossible to get back to where you started if you've been on TRT for any length of time.

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10 hours ago, robblok said:

Tropo is giving excellent advice, more frequent injects are better I do a weekly inject of test E. 

 

The whole reason they advertise stuff for 3 weeks is because people are afraid of needles. Believe me after a few injects it will go a lot better.

 

I had help from a friend at first now I have no problem of doing it now.

 

I use an 18G needle to suck the liquid and later an 23 G needle 1 inch long to inject in my leg. I inject test E.

 

LOL> that's still quite big. I use 25g. It's best to use the smallest gauge possible.  

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Thanks for the response BM tropo.

 

 I am in my mid 50s and I am also eating well (zero processed food, no sweets, no soda etc.) with quality protein and fats from fish, chicken and plants.  I have no fear of carbs, but try to eat complex carbs with a low glycemic index in foods I can find.

I exercise with cardio at least 3 times per week for at least one hour per session with my heart rate @ 90% (or higher) of my max rate for at least fifty minutes. I also weight train four or five days per week; I am working on a simple program of increased resistance every week or 2 . I think that allows me to increase my T as naturally as possible. 

Availability of good quality product is not a concern in my current location, thankfully.

 

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the members on the thread. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, tropo said:

LOL> that's still quite big. I use 25g. It's best to use the smallest gauge possible.  

 

Yes your right.. was always told 23g was the smallest might try 25 next time. 

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i went to the testosterene replacment clinic in pattaya today the one on clang corner of 3rd road,they gave me a blood test and i have to go back later for the results i was charged 6000bht for blood test and it will be 9,500bht for i months injections (dont know yet what of) then for other treatment to check on me another 17000 bht so its not cheap, i dont know if i will have any more treatment until i see blood test results, ive never done anything like this before initially i just wanted to lose some fat so perhaps somebody like tropo could advise me, im 75 years old and apart from being overweight and a low libido i dont feel to bad.

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23 minutes ago, black fox said:

i went to the testosterene replacment clinic in pattaya today the one on clang corner of 3rd road,they gave me a blood test and i have to go back later for the results i was charged 6000bht for blood test and it will be 9,500bht for i months injections (dont know yet what of) then for other treatment to check on me another 17000 bht so its not cheap, i dont know if i will have any more treatment until i see blood test results, ive never done anything like this before initially i just wanted to lose some fat so perhaps somebody like tropo could advise me, im 75 years old and apart from being overweight and a low libido i dont feel to bad.

Do yourself a favor google is your friend you can do a lot of research on the web about HRT unless you fell more comfortable with the clinic you can gain enough info from the web and a few of the posters here to treat yourself. Regular blood test is the most important tool you will have.

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On 4/11/2017 at 9:06 AM, robblok said:

 

Yes your right.. was always told 23g was the smallest might try 25 next time. 

 

If you go to 25g, only use 1ml syringes. You won't press the oil out with a 5ml syringe, no matter how strong your grip LOL. I only use 25g. The less collateral damage the better.:smile:

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10 hours ago, black fox said:

i went to the testosterene replacment clinic in pattaya today the one on clang corner of 3rd road,they gave me a blood test and i have to go back later for the results i was charged 6000bht for blood test and it will be 9,500bht for i months injections (dont know yet what of) then for other treatment to check on me another 17000 bht so its not cheap, i dont know if i will have any more treatment until i see blood test results, ive never done anything like this before initially i just wanted to lose some fat so perhaps somebody like tropo could advise me, im 75 years old and apart from being overweight and a low libido i dont feel to bad.

 

IMO all this money spent on testing is wasteful, and they make a huge profit... and it gives customers the impression they're really good.

 

At the end of the day, what will they give you besides some testosterone shots to boost you (costs me no more than 65 baht per week DIY), and perhaps some anti-estrogen drugs to control that if necessary?

 

I can help you out with some more info if you can list the tests they are giving you, and what they are supplementing you with. I would find that really interesting. Some blood tests such as free testosterone are quite expensive.

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