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Testosterone Therapy for Weight Loss

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48 minutes ago, tropo said:

IMO all this money spent on testing is wasteful, and they make a huge profit... and it gives customers the impression they're really good.

 

At the end of the day, what will they give you besides some testosterone shots to boost you (costs me no more than 65 baht per week DIY), and perhaps some anti-estrogen drugs to control that if necessary?

 

I can help you out with some more info if you can list the tests they are giving you, and what they are supplementing you with. I would find that really interesting. Some blood tests such as free testosterone are quite expensive.

im picking up my test results tomorrow ,i will see what they say and let you know also if i need to buy any needles testtosterone you might good enough to point me in the right direction.

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11 hours ago, tropo said:

If you go to 25g, only use 1ml syringes. You won't press the oil out with a 5ml syringe, no matter how strong your grip LOL. I only use 25g. The less collateral damage the better.:smile:

Tropo, I use a automatic vice to inject :shock1:  just joking.. yea i know what you mean. I will take a trip to a big pharmacy and get the stuff as the once near me only seem to stock 23 and 24 and both 1 1/4 inch .. prefer 1 inch max. 

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 i went back to the therapy centre this morning and everything was ok taking my age into consideration, they said a course of testerone would be benificial but its too expensive at 9500bht a month and apparantly once you start you have to continue with the injections so unless it can be a lot cheaper i wont be starting on the course.

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13 hours ago, black fox said:

im picking up my test results tomorrow ,i will see what they say and let you know also if i need to buy any needles testtosterone you might good enough to point me in the right direction.

 

The best place to pick up all the needles is Fascino.

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56 minutes ago, black fox said:

 i went back to the therapy centre this morning and everything was ok taking my age into consideration, they said a course of testerone would be benificial but its too expensive at 9500bht a month and apparantly once you start you have to continue with the injections so unless it can be a lot cheaper i wont be starting on the course.

 
 

They had that part correct - once you start there's no going back as whatever amount you're producing naturally now will fall to zero.

 

 All that expensive testing and all it came down to was a permanent "course of testosterone", nothing else? Any chance you could show us the results of the tests. I'd love to see what tests they did for about 23,000 baht all up.

 

In actual fact, the only way for them to do this right is to test your hormone levels at regular intervals during your course to see how you respond to what they give you. Does the "course of testosterone" price include regular testing? What testosterone are they going to inject you with? Perhaps they want to keep the details secret to prevent you from doing it yourself.

 

To put the price into perspective, no matter how low your natural levels are, the most the testosterone could cost per month would be around 600 baht. That's choosing the best quality pharmaceutical brand readily available in Thailand and injecting weekly. That would most likely be way too much... but that's the most it should cost. Then you add the small cost of needles and syringes, at about 30 baht per month. If you want a clinic to do the injections for you, that should be about 50 - 100 baht per shot. Perhaps 3x per month, every 10 days would suffice.

 

 

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3 hours ago, robblok said:

Tropo, I use a automatic vice to inject :shock1:  just joking.. yea i know what you mean. I will take a trip to a big pharmacy and get the stuff as the once near me only seem to stock 23 and 24 and both 1 1/4 inch .. prefer 1 inch max. 

 

In Fascino they have all the gauges available in 1 inch. I've never seen 25g over 1 inch. There have been occasions where they didn't have 25g stock, in which case I revert to 24g. I'd use 26g if they had them in 1 inch, but they're only available in 1/2 inch. They will probably be ok if your bodyfat is low enough. 

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15 minutes ago, tropo said:

In Fascino they have all the gauges available in 1 inch. I've never seen 25g over 1 inch. There have been occasions where they didn't have 25g stock, in which case I revert to 24g. I'd use 26g if they had them in 1 inch, but they're only available in 1/2 inch. They will probably be ok if your bodyfat is low enough. 

also dependent on where you inject.. if in your legs your almost straight in the muscle. 

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19 minutes ago, robblok said:

also dependent on where you inject.. if in your legs your almost straight in the muscle. 

LOL> don't like it there - too many nerves, but yeah, 1/2 inch would be ok there. You might want to try the 26 x 1/2 that comes with the 1-inch syringes. I did use them a few times when I didn't have 25's. 

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Good news on the ketogenic diet as a natural way to increase T, good leverage:

 

The Effects of Ketogenic Dieting on Body Composition, Strength, Power, and Hormonal Profiles in Resistance Training Males

Total testosterone increased significantly from Weeks 0-11 in the KD diet (118 ng/dl) as compared to the WD (-36 ng/dl) from pre to post while insulin did not change. The KD can be used in combination with resistance training to cause favorable changes in body composition, performance and hormonal profiles in resistance-trained males.

     --http://insights.ovid.com/crossref?an=00124278-900000000-96026

 

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When I had my T-test in Pattaya a few weeks ago, the level was 400, (I'm 58 years old). The Swiss doctor said that this was low for my age, but not too low.  He recommended (but did not push too much), for me to have some T-injections.

 

I decoded against this for several reasons:

 

- I cam currently on a healthy diet/fitness regime, which may well boost my T-level naturally

- Since I live in Myanmar and don't visit Thailand that often, I'd have to inject the T myself.  Of course that is possible (Tropo and others), but I decided to hold off for the moment on this - mainly because of my get-fit regime.

 

Unexpectantly, I will be back in BKK in 3 months, so I intend to get my T levels measured again, to see if they have naturally increased after another 3 months of cardio, gym work, jogging, cycling and a fruit/veg/nuts/probiotic diet.

 

If an increase in my T-levels increases my libido, then this isn't a desired result for me, due to the lack of a partner/wife/gik/pay-for-play in my location in Myanmar!  (Seen a few sheep though).

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    I am just half way thru the program I am on for TRT and some additional hormone HGH and steroid supplementations primobolan.  However, I did get a TANITA body scale measurement at my health club today out of curiosity.   I wanted to share the results.    

     My weight has dropped from 88.1 Kilo to 85.4 Kilo.  Finally!  My weight had plateaued since October of last year.

     My visceral fat score has gone from 14 to 12.  The TRT seems to be eating fat off my body!

     My body fat measurement went from 27.5% to 23.5%.  Again amazing.

     My fat mass from 24.2% to 20.1%.    What do you think of that?

      My muscle mass went from 60.6 Kilo to 62.0 Kilo.

      BMI moved from 27.5 to 26.7.

      BTW, I was off the gym for two weeks with some gout and then a holiday I had planned in Japan of 10 days.  So not all of this can be attributed back to the gym.

      And the warning your mileage may vary!  And the warning I a following a full hormone replacement protocol at an international clinic.  Also if you haven't followed my post on this forum I am 60 years old and only started body building and weight loss last June as a retirement project.  So these results might not be that impressive to real body builders.  I am representing the older crowd that has to have TRT to get results.  Not a thrill seeker!

 

 

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ANOTHER UPDATE:

        I got another measurement on the Tanita Body Composition Analyzer at the Olympic Health Club.   On May 11 I saw my weight went back up to 86.7 from 85.4.  However, FFM was up to 67.1 from 65.3 on the previous measurement.  Fat mass was down to 19.6 from 20.1 kg.  Muscle mass had increased to 63.8 from 62.0 kg.  

       In other words my weight increase was all muscle and I was really losing fat. 

       This treatment is very expensive and very full featured but it really has the benefits.  Again for those not following earlier post I got Nebeido a 10 week injection of testosterone, an HGH pen for human growth hormone, and either parabolan or primabolan injection every Friday for sports performance.   I used Yoskarn clinic here in Bangkok.  I detailed the expenses once at around 3K USD.  This includes lab test, a doctor consultation, and all of the drugs in the 10 week program.  

        I do not at all advocate that anyone just get testosterone from a local pharmacy and go on a DIY program.   I didn't see a single poster in the DIY category that was having all the necessary test including PSA which is an important cancer marker that should be monitored as testosterone increases have been linked to prostrate cancer problems.

        I will post another update today and probably one in 2 weeks or so.  I am at the end of my program and the end of my retirement visa so I will be heading home to the USA soon.  I didn't meet my goal of getting down to 174 lbs.  However, the change in my body composition allowed me to get into size 34" waist pants I had brought along on this trip to measure progress.  So the additional muscle and body shape changes did bring me to my goal without the additional weight loss.

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On 2017-4-3 at 10:45 AM, dontoearth said:

A lot of posters in this forum have commented on using testosterone for weight loss and improvements in gym performance

Stay off the drugs peeps. Train naturally and don't inject all these drugs into your system unless you want to die young. Lots of pro-bodybuilders and non-pro bodybuilders die very young from taking all type of riods, testosterone, HGH, insulin and all the other stuff they use. "Zyzz" is an example of some Aussie dude who died in Thailand while on holiday at 22 years old from a heart attack. Lots of others have died of a heart attack, stroke, liver failure, kidney failure, liver cancer, etc. It might take you 10 years of lifting naturally to get big rather than 2 years on the gear, but you will end up healthier.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Stay off the drugs peeps. Train naturally and don't inject all these drugs into your system unless you want to die young. Lots of pro-bodybuilders and non-pro bodybuilders die very young from taking all type of riods, testosterone, HGH, insulin and all the other stuff they use. "Zyzz" is an example of some Aussie dude who died in Thailand while on holiday at 22 years old from a heart attack. Lots of others have died of a heart attack, stroke, liver failure, kidney failure, liver cancer, etc. It might take you 10 years of lifting naturally to get big rather than 2 years on the gear, but you will end up healthier.

 

 

Agreed entirely!  My original post was directed at people who had been to a doctor and had documented by medical test some hormone deficiencies which made weight loss and exercise impossible.  I got about 30 lbs USA off my body before hitting a brick wall for several months.  I am 61.  My testosterone was measured at 50 and the scale starts at 250 and runs to 1100.  So I had a medical necessity.  I did read about Zyzz and have to say that at 22 you do not need any of this medicine unless you have a severe medical problem.  The drugs lead to wanting more and more and eventually death for these kids again and again.  Using these drugs and supplements leads to another problem.  I will explain in my next progress post.

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8 minutes ago, dontoearth said:

Agreed entirely!  My original post was directed at people who had been to a doctor and had documented by medical test some hormone deficiencies which made weight loss and exercise impossible.  I got about 30 lbs USA off my body before hitting a brick wall for several months.  I am 61.  My testosterone was measured at 50 and the scale starts at 250 and runs to 1100.  So I had a medical necessity.  I did read about Zyzz and have to say that at 22 you do not need any of this medicine unless you have a severe medical problem.  The drugs lead to wanting more and more and eventually death for these kids again and again.  Using these drugs and supplements leads to another problem.  I will explain in my next progress post.

I've read previously taking testosterone may also lead to male infertility, having small testicles & male-pattern baldness. Not something you would want to have as a young dude....

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