WaywardWind Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: The statute of limitations has not run out so it is not too late. Comey made up the law in his investigation of Hillary. The statute as written by Congress does not require intent. He added that she had no "intent" to break the law, therefore, no law was broken. That was wrong. Others in the government have been prosecuted for much less with no intent on their part. Comey was a hack with sympathies for the Democrats/liberals/Hillary. He should have been dumped with the swamp crap months ago. Links to the statute and Comey's statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: Comey made up the law in his investigation of Hillary. Comey was a hack with sympathies for the Democrats/liberals/Hillary. Please see post #71. It may help you in ascertaining the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 When I first heard this news my first though was of the Rommel story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, WaywardWind said: Links to the statute and Comey's statement? There were many articles written by the NEWS, but not the FAKE NEWS about this. The statute is clear. A great example will come soon when they prosecute Huma Abedin for the same crime. She will claim that she had no intent to break the law regarding classified documents and information but she will be convicted anyway. They will use the same statute against her that they wouldn't use on Hillary. Here are highlights of what Comey said: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” Clinton’s emails included seven message chains with information classified as top secret. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” The first statement is in regard to intent. It doesn't matter what she intended to do, she broke the law. You may not have intended to run over the pedestrian but you are still culpable in some form. Subsection (f) of the pertinent statute (the Espionage Act, codified at Section 793 of Title 18, U.S. Code) makes it a felony to mishandle classified information “through gross negligence” — i.e., proving Clinton was sloppy or careless (or “extremely careless,” to use Comey’s own description) could have been sufficient. But beyond that, Clinton willfully set up a private network for the systematic handling of her State Department-related communications, in violation of federal record-keeping requirements of which she was well aware, and under circumstances in which she (a former senator who served for years on the intelligence Armed Services committee) was a sophisticated longtime consumer of classified information. She was keenly aware that her responsibilities as secretary of state would heavily involve classified information — whether it was “marked” classified or “born classified” because of the subject matter. It is irrelevant whether Clinton’s purpose was to transmit or store classified information on the private, non-secure server; prosecutors are not required to prove motive. The question is whether she knew classified information would end up on the server, and her set-up made that inevitable. That is, Clinton could have been prosecuted either for willfully mishandling classified information or for doing so through gross negligence. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447318/james-comey-fbi-director-hillary-clinton-no-criminal-intent-email-classified-information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, iReason said: Please see post #71. It may help you in ascertaining the truth. Suggest you look at post 95. I gave you statute law and you gave us Politico. My statement has nothing to do with what you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Jingthing said: The FBI investigation was getting too close to trump. The USA democracy is now under severe threat from it's president. Either the democracy is permanently destroyed or trump is forced to resign or impeached. It starts now. American patriots of all political persuasions, which of course would not include trumpist loyalists, need to mobilize now before it is too late. It may already be too late. Hey! What happened to your Goddess Hillary avatar? Retired? Anyway, I see your bias and poor judgment has not been affected. Comey deserved to be fired on the face of it because of his ridiculously poorly-considered actions. Next, if I were Trump, I'd start prosecution of Mrs Clinton for the infractions Comey enumerated in his ridiculous press conference. Yeah, I know. Trump's too nice a guy for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The same people whining about Trump's refusal to fire Comey earlier are now whining about this. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Amash mulls independent probe after Comey firing "GOP Rep. Justin Amash suggested he wants an independent panel to investigate the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia in the wake of Tuesday’s firing of FBI Director James Comey." “My staff and I are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia,” the Michigan congressman said on Twitter." "Amash pointed to a line from President Donald Trump’s letter to Comey informing him he had been fired, calling the line “bizarre.” http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/amash-comey-firing-fbi-238183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Comey firing threatens Senate probe into Trump’s Russia ties The FBI director had been cooperating with the intelligence committee investigation, talking with lawmakers and sharing material. (sub-title) "The firing on Tuesday of FBI Director James Comey eliminated one of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s most critical allies in investigating President Donald Trump’s alleged ties to Russia, potentially knocking the probe into turmoil." "Comey, who had led the FBI since 2013, confirmed publicly in March that the bureau was investigating potential ties between Trump associates and the Russian government." “Director Comey has been more forthcoming with information than any FBI Director I can recall in my tenure on the congressional intelligence committees,” Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr said in a statement." http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/comey-firing-trump-russia-senate-238187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, WaywardWind said: You have a link to this? http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-obama-macron-20170504-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, MaxYakov said: Hey! What happened to your Goddess Hillary avatar? Retired? Anyway, I see your bias and poor judgment has not been affected. Comey deserved to be fired on the face of it because of his ridiculously poorly-considered actions. Next, if I were Trump, I'd start prosecution of Mrs Clinton for the infractions Comey enumerated in his ridiculous press conference. Yeah, I know. Trump's too nice a guy for that! Agreed. Comey has made too many mistakes to continue leading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 What's truly bizarre is that all the things that were cited as reasons to dismiss Comey, were things that the right wing applauded at the time. They loved his castigation of Clinton. They loved his annoucement that he was reopening the investigation. And thy loved the fact that Loretta Lynch, the Attorney General, recused herself in favor of letting Comey decide whether or not to prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 "When you're getting trolled by the Nixon library after a few months in office, your presidency isn't going well." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The over/under on when this blows over and he's 100% in the clear again is about 48 hours from inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtls2005 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 President Trump has been out of the public eye for five (5) days; this is unprecedented. He has been tweeting at even more unusual hours. He is due to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on Wed., May 10, 2017 at 10:30 AM. Lavrov is widely acknowledged to be Putin's point-man on the disruption of the U.S. election. Obviously firing Comey, compounded with the timing and "reason", seems the act of a desperate man, and/or his minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Donald Trump Is Lying Again, Now About James Comey "The president of the United States is lying again." "He is lying about the reason he fired James Comey, the F.B.I. director." "Trump claimed that he was doing so because Comey bungled the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email, which meant that Comey was “not able to effectively lead the bureau.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/opinion/donald-trump-is-lying-again-now-about-james-comey.html Standard form for the liar in chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, jcsmith said: The Russia investigation is very obviously frightening the hell out of Trump. This will eventually sink him. Hopefully. But as the republicans control both houses, we may have to wait at least until 2018 when the democrats might take the house. Imagine the further DAMAGE trump will have done by then. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Rob13 said: What kind of anti-trump movemments are hsppening in Congress. I'm not seeing much resisantce going on to counter his blatent mishandling of his position. They don't have the votes. Impeachment would come from the house. They don't have the votes. But tomorrow in the senate the democrats will call for an INDEPENDENT investigation. Totally appropriate now, but again, they don't have the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Trump is mirroring Nixon’s final days "President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey — who was overseeing the probe of the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with Russia to influence the 2016 election — was technically legal, since the president acted within his official authority." "But it plainly violates the democratic norms that have long governed the use of presidential power, and bears Nixonian overtones." "With Trump mirroring Richard Nixon’s brazen high-handedness, the most pressing question is whether Republicans in Congress will muster the same courage and integrity Republicans did after Watergate." https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/10/trump-is-mirroring-nixons-final-days/?utm_term=.f540a363e929 They got rid of Nixon, surely they'll get rid of this obnoxious, ignorant clown. The man who brought down Nixon says Trump is even 'more treacherous' Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein criticises Donald Trump's 'unhinged conduct' and warns 'The most dangerous ‘enemy of the people’ is presidential lying' (sub-title) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-carl-bernstein-richard-nixon-watergate-trump-lying-lies-liar-worse-than-nixon-fake-news-a7587481.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It really was a SHOCK move. Not so much the firing. The TIMING. I doubt anyone actually believes the excuse from the trump regime as to why. Considering the TIMING. Also the super rude "style" in which trump fired Comey. Very much the style of a strong man DICTATOR. On the detail in the letter where trump says Comey told him three times he wasn't under investigation. That's more to the point of the TIMING of the firing. The Russian heat is obviously getting too close for comfort. The obvious question from that is did Comey actually say that and three times (trump is a notorious liar), and if he did or he didn't, will Comey (or can he even) comment on that detail? He's just a citizen now but I'm curious as to the rules he may still be subject to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob13 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 He earned his firing, his actions before the election weren't professional and looked biased. Trump could have let him go day 1 with no raised eye brows. Firing him now though speaks volumes about trump's guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Well the Trump apologists are doing what they always do and yes it is becoming farcical. For the rest of us it just confirms what we know already. Another considerable nail in the already over nailed coffin. Being in Trump's corner is becoming increasingly difficult even for the most dedicated Trumpster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 "Can't be under FBI investigation if there's no FBI Director." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think an independent investigator/prosecutor is a great idea. Should have been one already as Comey compromised himself long ago. Surprised he didn't resign, or get replaced much sooner. And yes, agreed, Trump's timing reveals his real irritation and motive. He's never been very good at concealing his emotions, and blurts at inopportune moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, Jingthing said: They don't have the votes. Impeachment would come from the house. They don't have the votes. But tomorrow in the senate the democrats will call for an INDEPENDENT investigation. Totally appropriate now, but again, they don't have the votes. That's correct, those patriots you speak of on the left only, do not have the votes. They are impotent to do anything except muckrake. Soon President Trump will appoint another Supreme Court Justice and this will be a conservative justice. Trump is very smart not nominating older judges, but younger ones who will remain on the bench for some time. Then there will be the gerrymandering. It's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, TonyClifton said: There were many articles written by the NEWS, but not the FAKE NEWS about this. The statute is clear. A great example will come soon when they prosecute Huma Abedin for the same crime. She will claim that she had no intent to break the law regarding classified documents and information but she will be convicted anyway. They will use the same statute against her that they wouldn't use on Hillary. Here are highlights of what Comey said: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” Clinton’s emails included seven message chains with information classified as top secret. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” The first statement is in regard to intent. It doesn't matter what she intended to do, she broke the law. You may not have intended to run over the pedestrian but you are still culpable in some form. Subsection (f) of the pertinent statute (the Espionage Act, codified at Section 793 of Title 18, U.S. Code) makes it a felony to mishandle classified information “through gross negligence” — i.e., proving Clinton was sloppy or careless (or “extremely careless,” to use Comey’s own description) could have been sufficient. But beyond that, Clinton willfully set up a private network for the systematic handling of her State Department-related communications, in violation of federal record-keeping requirements of which she was well aware, and under circumstances in which she (a former senator who served for years on the intelligence Armed Services committee) was a sophisticated longtime consumer of classified information. She was keenly aware that her responsibilities as secretary of state would heavily involve classified information — whether it was “marked” classified or “born classified” because of the subject matter. It is irrelevant whether Clinton’s purpose was to transmit or store classified information on the private, non-secure server; prosecutors are not required to prove motive. The question is whether she knew classified information would end up on the server, and her set-up made that inevitable. That is, Clinton could have been prosecuted either for willfully mishandling classified information or for doing so through gross negligence. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447318/james-comey-fbi-director-hillary-clinton-no-criminal-intent-email-classified-information The FBI investigated the emails to death, and did not find a violation of the statute. You can equate "extremely careless" with "gross negligence" but the law does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardWind Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, LannaGuy said: http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-obama-macron-20170504-story.html You said he "interfered" in the election, while your link merely indicates that he endorsed Macron. They are not the same - just ask Putin if you need guidance on the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, WaywardWind said: The FBI investigated the emails to death, and did not find a violation of the statute. You can equate "extremely careless" with "gross negligence" but the law does not. Comey's comments do not constitute law. They are his opinion and a biased opinion at that. Through Abedin and her now ex-husband "the weiner," will come the unraveling of it all. There is more than one way to skin a criminal(s). Subsection (f) of the pertinent statute (the Espionage Act, codified at Section 793 of Title 18, U.S. Code) makes it a felony to mishandle classified information “through gross negligence” — i.e., proving Clinton was sloppy or careless (or “extremely careless,” to use Comey’s own description) could have been sufficient. But beyond that, Clinton willfully set up a private network for the systematic handling of her State Department-related communications, in violation of federal record-keeping requirements of which she was well aware, and under circumstances in which she (a former senator who served for years on the intelligence Armed Services committee) was a sophisticated longtime consumer of classified information. She was keenly aware that her responsibilities as secretary of state would heavily involve classified information — whether it was “marked” classified or “born classified” because of the subject matter. It is irrelevant whether Clinton’s purpose was to transmit or store classified information on the private, non-secure server; prosecutors are not required to prove motive. The question is whether she knew classified information would end up on the server, and her set-up made that inevitable. That is, Clinton could have been prosecuted either for willfully mishandling classified information or for doing so through gross negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 whoever is the FBI guy... they need to get dirt on every politician like J. Edgar did...... I didn't think this was a political appointment..... but now it is for sure, just as J. Edgar Hoover thought it was too. great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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