Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[KarenBravo]

Just now, jorj44 said:

How refreshing to have a human being in the White House, the best days American has seen in my long life time. 

 

You're almost right. There is a primate in the WH. They are usually found in Sumatra and Borneo and the same colour as Trump.

[KarenBravo]

1 minute ago, hobobo said:

Bill Clinton was impeached but won on appeal. Had he lost the appeal, he could not complete his term.

And Tricky Dicky avoided impeachment by quitting.......

[Jingthing]

Personally, I don't think it's acceptable to launch an impeachment because Pence would be better for republicans or because trump is bizarre and mentally unstable. As bad as trump is for American democracy (he viciously attacks all of it's core institutions) impeachment for other than high crimes is not the American way either. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, hobobo said:

Bill Clinton was impeached but won on appeal. Had he lost the appeal, he could not complete his term.

Impeachment is the beginning of the process which must start in the house. To remove a president the president must be CONVICTED in the senate. Clinton was impeached but it never led to a conviction. 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, dundas said:

Thank goodness! I was of the view that as the poor get poorer (more and more people on non-living wages, lose health care, etc ), they would vote for something a bit more leftwing/liberal, but fortunately, they're happy being shafted.

Hmmmm. Left governments are not good at jobs. Job growth under Obama was anaemic.

Under Labour in the UK, British industry was destroyed. That's why Thatcher kept getting re elected.

Venuzuela doesn't seem to be doing too well under left wing governments.

Giving stuff to the voters only works for a short time.

 

Depends if the Dems have a good enough propaganda machine as to whether they ever get elected to the presidency again.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

You're almost right. There is a primate in the WH. They are usually found in Sumatra and Borneo and the same colour as Trump.

I note your reasoned and factual opposition to Trump.

[iReason]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To impeach, the GOP would have to unite and join Dems. Does anyone think that is going to happen?

 

If they choose country over party, yes.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

If they choose country over party, yes.

You are asking politicians to put country over their self interest .

Sorry but all the statesmen have left the building. I think Kennedy was the last one.

[Peterw42]

51 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The poll is almost tied.

That says to me that there are a whole lot of TVF members that don't oppose Trump not participating in the threads related to Trump, as almost all the posters on such threads are anti Trump.

I don't blame them though.

The poll isn't asking if you oppose trump, its asking if you think he will be impeached/resign. You can oppose trump but still think he wont be impeached. Or vica versa, you may not oppose him but still think he will be impeached/resign. Its not a popularity poll, its an outcome poll. 

[Gulfsailor]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmmm. Left governments are not good at jobs. Job growth under Obama was anaemic.

Under Labour in the UK, British industry was destroyed. That's why Thatcher kept getting re elected.

Venuzuela doesn't seem to be doing too well under left wing governments.

Giving stuff to the voters only works for a short time.

 

Depends if the Dems have a good enough propaganda machine as to whether they ever get elected to the presidency again.

 

You can't just make stuff up and expect no one to check. 

 

[hobobo]

12 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

And Tricky Dicky avoided impeachment by quitting.......

Correct. Had he not resigned by 12 noon, he would have been "escorted out" and shamed even more - if that is possible!

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The poll is almost tied.

That says to me that there are a whole lot of TVF members that don't oppose Trump not participating in the threads related to Trump, as almost all the posters on such threads are anti Trump.

I don't blame them though.

the same fault in logic that leads you to support Trump leads you to think the above.

 You can be against Trump and think that he will not be impeached  or be for him but still think he will be forced to resign.

[iReason]

16 minutes ago, hobobo said:

Bill Clinton was impeached but won on appeal.

 

You are just making stuff up.

 

There was no appeal. There was a defense.

 

A successful one.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The poll isn't asking if you oppose trump, its asking if you think he will be impeached/resign. You can oppose trump but still think he wont be impeached. Or vica versa, you may not oppose him but still think he will be impeached/resign. Its not a popularity poll, its an outcome poll. 

Agree that is possible, but it doesn't take into account that a whole lot of TVF members that voted against impeachment are NOT participating on any Trump related thread, which was my point.

[Srikcir]

On 5/20/2017 at 6:10 AM, Scott said:

do you believe that Trump will ultimately be impeached or forced to resign?

I voted yes for less obvious reasons.

 

Many are forgetting that the Special Counsel's role is two-fold. He is looking at both potential articles of impeachment in connection with the collusion with Russia on campaign interference and criminal violations in connection with anything and everything. The two are not necessarily interdependent. Remember that the impeachment is a political process conducted by Congress while criminal violations is a judicial process conducted by the courts.

 

The most likely to date on the latter is possible Obstruction of Justice and Witness Tampering - irrespective of any guilt or innocence with regard to collusion with the Russians that is ultimately for the House of Representatives to decide for impeachment . If Trump is prosecuted for a criminal violation in a federal district court  he will likely plea bargain and resign in exchange for charges being waived. There may be other possible crimes that might precede the alleged Russian collusion events such as money laundering for the Russians in Trump real estate, unreported income related to Russian transactions, unreported wealth in foreign financial institutions, etc. If Counsel requests Trump's & Kushner's (a possible "person of interest" by the FBI) tax returns, financial crimes might be a target.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, sirineou said:

the same fault in logic that leads you to support Trump leads you to think the above.

 You can be against Trump and think that he will not be impeached  or be for him but still think he will be forced to resign.

No fault in my logic that says there are a LOT of members not participating in any thread about Trump that voted. Few and almost always the same posters on such threads.

[DiamondKing]

50% of those who voted think he will be impeached just goes to show the low mentality of TV members 

 

IMPEACH FOR WHAT ??? absolutely no evidence of anything and even after being told over and over you dems just cant give it up LOL

Pretty pathetic

 

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree that is possible, but it doesn't take into account that a whole lot of TVF members that voted against impeachment are NOT participating on any Trump related thread, which was my point.

I think there would be a big difference if the poll asked "should he be impeached/resign".

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

I voted yes for less obvious reasons.

 

Many are forgetting that the Special Counsel's role is two-fold. He is looking at both potential articles of impeachment in connection with the collusion with Russia on campaign interference and criminal violations in connection with anything and everything. The two are not necessarily interdependent. Remember that the impeachment is a political process conducted by Congress while criminal violations is a judicial process conducted by the courts.

 

The most likely to date on the latter is possible Obstruction of Justice and Witness Tampering - irrespective of any guilt or innocence with regard to collusion with the Russians that is ultimately for the House of Representatives to decide for impeachment . If Trump is prosecuted for a criminal violation in a federal district court  he will likely plea bargain and resign in exchange for charges being waived. There may be other possible crimes that might precede the alleged Russian collusion events such as money laundering for the Russians in Trump real estate, unreported income related to Russian transactions, unreported wealth in foreign financial institutions, etc. If Counsel requests Trump's & Kushner's (a possible "person of interest" by the FBI) tax returns, financial crimes might be a target.

 

 

I wasn't aware that it was the special counsel's remit to look for impeachable offences. Far as I know he's just looking into whether there was or was not collusion on Russia. However, his remit ( under "other matters" ) may extend to investigating whether the DNC colluded to illegally stab Bernie in the back, or if in fact HRC is a crook.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, DiamondKing said:

50% of those who voted think he will be impeached just goes to show the low mentality of TV members 

 

IMPEACH FOR WHAT ??? absolutely no evidence of anything and even after being told over and over you dems just cant give it up LOL

Pretty pathetic

 

Lots of smoke already and also strong signs of a coverup / obstruction of justice.

You're correct, no smoking gun yet, but that doesn't mean there won't be one.

Remember, the coverup is usually what gets them, rather than the crime.

[KarenBravo]

4 minutes ago, DiamondKing said:

50% of those who voted think he will be impeached just goes to show the low mentality of TV members 

 

IMPEACH FOR WHAT ??? absolutely no evidence of anything and even after being told over and over you dems just cant give it up LOL

Pretty pathetic

 

Not really. The question refers to the future.

The investigation has only just started, his tax returns haven't been subpoenaed, yet.

No evidence......YET. Obviously, many posters think that once the investigation progresses, there will be evidence.

I think your post proves your own not so high mentality and deficient reading comprehension.

[Andaman Al]

50 minutes ago, tomwct said:

Never happen! President Trump will be one of the best Presidents the US has ever scene! He'll also be re-elected with the popular vote and  more electorial votes than before. In addition, more states will go Republican in the next 3 voting cycles.

Well more like he is the best US President ever at causing a scene! As for the rest it sounds like a bad DMT trip.

[sujoop]

10 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

You can't just make stuff up and expect no one to check. 

 

 

Further:

 

 

Although red states do clearly win on waist sizes and in poor education (just the way Trump/GOP would like it to remain;)

 

Again, Trump will resign but only after he's ran a wrecking ball through all institutions and then start Trump TV where devotees can 'enjoy' watching Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer spouting alternative facts on the hour. Republicans will happily see Trump off and after installing either Pence or Ryan, slash taxes for the richest, reduce health care for the poorest and wreak havoc on citizen rights via a super majority in the Supreme Court.

 

 

[Basil B]

3 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

I voted no, not because I am a Trump supporter, but because impeachment does not automatically mean removal from office. 

 

First of all, the standard of guilt needed for a successful impeachment is quite high.  There have only been two impeachments in US history - Johnson in the 1860s and Bill Clinton in the 1990s.  Both were impeached, that is, tried by the Senate, but not found guilty or removed from office.  It is quite possible that the same thing could happen to Trump.

 

Secondly, I don't think that Trump's ego and self-image would let him resign.  He may be kicked out eventually, but it will only be after a long chaotic period of political battles and growing mental instability.

Quite right it seems the only way to forcibly remove a POTUS from office is defined by :

 

The Constitution defines these as follows (Article II, Section 4):

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United  States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction  of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

There are other ways which may just have him regretting supporting the NRA.

[DiamondKing]

All made up stuff by the dems who just cant take it that he is President and have tired everything to take the man down and now they are trying for impeachment 

 

ITS LAUGHABLE and pathetic at the same time 

[Andaman Al]

38 minutes ago, jorj44 said:

How refreshing to have a human being in the White House, the best days American has seen in my long life time. 

 

More intolerable, disgraceful racism. You wouldn't be a new account for someone who has just been given a holiday for disgraceful racism would you? It has the same kind of ring about it.

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, DiamondKing said:

50% of those who voted think he will be impeached just goes to show the low mentality of TV members 

 

IMPEACH FOR WHAT ??? absolutely no evidence of anything and even after being told over and over you dems just cant give it up LOL

Pretty pathetic

 

First, in taking the oath of office, a president promises to “faithfully execute the laws & the constitution.”

 

Second, Article I Section 9 of the Constitution forbids government officials from taking things of value from foreign governments.

 

Third: The 1st Amendment to the Constitution bars any law “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

 

Fourth: The 1st Amendment also bars “abridging the freedom of the press.” 

 

A fifth possible ground if the evidence is there: Article II Section 3 of the Constitution defines “treason against the United States” as “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

 

Six, Obstruction of justice, sacking the Guy thats investigating you.

[Jingthing]

There is also the 25th amendment.

 

 

Quote

 

Will the 25th Amendment save us? Lessons from the nation’s first impeachment trial.

There are evident risks to opening the door to using the 25th Amendment to remove presidents on the basis of general concerns about unfitness or mental instability.

 

 

 

https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2017/5/18/15658236/25th-amendment-impeachment-issues

 

People who think there is no chance of impeachment are tripping. Reports are the white house staff has started to study impeachment as a proactive tactic. 

[DiamondKing]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

First, in taking the oath of office, a president promises to “faithfully execute the laws & the constitution.”

 

Second, Article I Section 9 of the Constitution forbids government officials from taking things of value from foreign governments.

 

Third: The 1st Amendment to the Constitution bars any law “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

 

Fourth: The 1st Amendment also bars “abridging the freedom of the press.” 

 

A fifth possible ground if the evidence is there: Article II Section 3 of the Constitution defines “treason against the United States” as “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

 

Six, Obstruction of justice, sacking the Guy thats investigating you.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE he has not followed those 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, DiamondKing said:

All made up stuff by the dems who just cant take it that he is President and have tired everything to take the man down and now they are trying for impeachment 

 

ITS LAUGHABLE and pathetic at the same time 

Made up stuff?

You clearly are not following the news.

Firing Comey and then openly admitting it was about the Russia investigation.

That in itself may lead to an obstruction of justice case based on Comey's notes.

And much more.