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Phuket Police formally charge British boyfriend for death of Sophie Anderson

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5 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

 

I know what he wrote...but as we can see, it was not "all of a sudden"....unless he wasn't paying attention in the first place or just moving too fast.

Or, happened to be checking his rear view mirrors (essential frequently when riding a scooter) at the wrong moment - and looking ahead again found that the vehicle ahead had braked unexpectedly - necessitating hitting the brakes, hard.

 

Its happened to me a few times :sad:.

 

I only watched the beginning of the boyfriend's first video, as the delusional comments about 'talking to her/she's forgiven me' made me cringe - to put it mildly!

 

Nonetheless, I gather he's been riding a scooter here for many years and can easily understand how this type of accident happens.

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7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Or, happened to be checking his rear view mirrors (essential frequently when riding a scooter) at the wrong moment - and looking ahead again found that the vehicle ahead had braked unexpectedly - necessitating hitting the brakes, hard.

 

Its happened to me a few times :sad:.

 

I only watched the beginning of the boyfriend's first video, as the delusional comments about 'talking to her/she's forgiven me' made me cringe - to put it mildly!

 

Nonetheless, I gather he's been riding a scooter here for many years and can easily understand how this type of accident happens.

"I only watched the beginning of the boyfriend's first video, as the delusional comments about 'talking to her/she's forgiven me' made me cringe - to put it mildly!"

 

Sure, but as i said in #164..it has to have had a huge impact on him.

He actually got splattered from her injuries.,think about that.

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What difference would the pregnant girlfriends 'agility' made in this accident?

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It makes the difference in that if he had mentally risk assessed in the first place, she would not have been on the bike, and therefore the (any) accident would not have happened.
Having said that it's done and I can't help having sympathy for him. Should've stayed away from social media, which didn't make him any friends

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3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Or, happened to be checking his rear view mirrors (essential frequently when riding a scooter) at the wrong moment - and looking ahead again found that the vehicle ahead had braked unexpectedly - necessitating hitting the brakes, hard.

 

Its happened to me a few times :sad:.

 

I only watched the beginning of the boyfriend's first video, as the delusional comments about 'talking to her/she's forgiven me' made me cringe - to put it mildly!

 

Nonetheless, I gather he's been riding a scooter here for many years and can easily understand how this type of accident happens.

 

 

 

I simply don't agree with this assessment.  If this was the case, why in all of his descriptions of what occurred, has he not mentioned that he glanced into his rear view mirror?

He hasn't mentioned it, because it did not happen.

How fast do you need to be going in order to lose control of a motorbike, throwing the pillion passenger to the right and yourself to the left.  Why didn't they both fall to the left?

I think because the back end moved to the right, this doesn't happen if you are driving defensively because you KNOW you have precious cargo onboard. It was his job to take care of them. He didn't. he was reckless. No doubt.

 

I too have been riding in Thailand for many years. They only time I came off the bike was due to my own reckless action. I deliberately rode a dangerous curve too quickly to see if I could do it. I didn't. The resulting scrapes reminded me to not play the ass when riding a bike.

 

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On 5/29/2017 at 9:25 AM, psyvolt said:

Your going to blow the minds of a lot of ThaiVisa posters with your statement, as in there minds they have the victim mentality.

All interactions I've had with Thai Police have been the same, always friendly, respectful, professional and they really didn't care where anyone was from, as we were all treated the same way.

I dont think any minds are going to be blown away. Yes allot of posters talk about being victims but in all those posts there are always the opposite statements too. So it's the never ending debate on TV, some posters have their view and no matter what you say not going to change that.  I dont think anything on TV will ever change.  If a poster makes a statement that the sky is blue you will have arguments over that. 

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I don't ride motorbikes in LOS as it's strictly down to my wife who has the most experience.  Even then, she's been over the bonnet of two cars in years gone by. 

 

Notwithstanding, I don't trust this guy as something not quite right.

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13 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

He doesn't really get to the point until around 13.20....

Guy is knows nothing about Thailand and making assumptions or  repeating what he has heard from others. 

Live off of $200 a month... as he said "it's allot of money over there"  all these vegans trying to capitalize on this accident. 

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6 hours ago, ericthai said:

Guy is knows nothing about Thailand and making assumptions or  repeating what he has heard from others. 

Live off of $200 a month... as he said "it's allot of money over there"  all these vegans trying to capitalize on this accident. 

 

I tried and failed to save you wasting thirteen minutes and twenty seconds of your life. You watched it didn't you? :saai:

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On 5/27/2017 at 11:52 PM, KhunBENQ said:

I don't see anything unusual in formally charging both drivers.

What would happen in your country in such a case?

The video evidence that I have seen clearly ridicule his statements:

No sudden/hard break in front of him. Slow traffic on the left lane, that's all. He simply "woke up late".

At worst careless driving. A highway traffic code offense. A civil court might find liable for damages.

My point was that in order to have a criminal case, one must have criminal intent. Can you honestly say that this man  had malicious intent to do harm? Call him stupid or whatever, but I don't see the criminal intent here. He was driving along and did not react properly. This is very different than one who has positioned the vehicle as the Thai driver did, such that it would cause injury. And that's what upsets me. IMO he is charged only because they don't want a Thai to be held responsible for the tragedy.

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In my last country (Germany) this would be called "negligent homicide" and is a criminal case.

Traffic accidents are among the most frequent cases of this type.

Punishment can range from a fine up to 5 years imprisonment depending on the case.

In any case you are a criminal convict (criminal record).

It is well possible that he comes out with a fine in Thailand.

 

Different countries, different charges.

In the US it even seems to vary between the states.

 

 

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14 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

At worst careless driving. A highway traffic code offense. A civil court might find liable for damages.

My point was that in order to have a criminal case, one must have criminal intent. Can you honestly say that this man  had malicious intent to do harm? Call him stupid or whatever, but I don't see the criminal intent here. He was driving along and did not react properly. This is very different than one who has positioned the vehicle as the Thai driver did, such that it would cause injury. And that's what upsets me. IMO he is charged only because they don't want a Thai to be held responsible for the tragedy.

What a load of rubbish!

 

At worst, a woman and unborn child is dead.... and you are more concerned about the traffic code. Pathetic.

 

Apart from that, perhaps you can explain to us all the difference between careless driving, causing the death of another and reckless driving causing the death of another. 

 

Ludicrous that you write  "IMO he is charged only because they don't want a Thai to be held responsible for the tragedy.".

 

In fact many people are surprised that the truck driver was charged at all. Not stopping didn't look good and maybe there was some other reason. perhaps trucks of that size not allowed on that road. But I have no idea as to why he was charged.

Yet here you are suggesting that it was his fault. Ridiculous.

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On 5/28/2017 at 4:56 AM, cyberfarang said:

The guy was staying in Thailand as an illegal worker, he shouldn`t had been here anyway. If he felt non proficient on riding a motor bike, as said in his own statement; "It’s two people on a scooter, it’s a very difficult thing to do" then he was negligent in taking his girlfriend as a passenger and placing her life at risk.

 

And as you say; why is he hiding his face in shame if this guy believes he shares no blame in this whatsoever, that does say it all. Very unfortunate for the pregnant girlfriend who placed her trust in a complete incompetent that has shattered so many lives. Shame it wasn`t the other way around and she survived the crash instead of him.

I absolutely agree. He said it was the fault of the car who braked suddenly. He did not keep safe distance with the car. . He was the one who swerved to try and avoid the car. He is the one responsible for the accident and this woman's death because he should have been in control of his vehicle. In his face and attitude  in his videos, there is something weird, deeply selfish,  in this guy. He hid his face at the police station. He didn't have an ounce of recognizing that he had his part of responsibility, which is gross, he was the driver and the one who didn't control his bike  !! 

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