ezzra Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Apple, the make of IPhone can use this story as an advertising gimmick with : "our phones are so good, people kill for it ".. yeah a bit macabre but all is fair to get the sales up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkenny Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 51 minutes ago, smutcakes said: Just goes to show justice can be served. Although it also goes how different the serving of justice can be. On the one hand a callous murder has ended with a quick sentencing, on the other a callous running over of an officer of the law is 4-5 years old and still no action. (Again it has suddenly gone very very quiet. Would be worth finding out whether Thailand did actually file anything with Interpol or just talked a lot and waited for it to blow over again) Still not showing as wanted on INTERPOL's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think life in a hard prison more fitting than death. Living a bad life every day would be a better punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deez Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Prbkk said: But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world. It might meet the need for vengeance, might make people feel safer...but it will not serve any useful purpose . You haven't thought this through. I can think of a number of useful purposes: 1. It gets rid of 2 dangerous people who are a waste of space. 2. It saves the cost of lifetime incarceration. 3. It frees up prison space for people more likely to benefit. 4. It prevents the possibility of them getting out of prison and killing again. Regarding your theory that capital punishment has been proven not to act as a deterrent (around the world). Have studies been carried out in Thailand? I'm sure results will vary from country to country. Even if it only deters a small number of criminals it's still worth it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deez Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Prbkk said: No, I think 30 years would be a good starting point. Up to $100,000 per year to keep inmates incarcerated in the west. Why waste $6million on these lowlifes? I realize it is less $ here, but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod711 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The stabber stated at the time of his arrest that the victim would still be alive if he hadn't resisted when his Iphone was grabbed. Not someone with any regard for life, now he can suffer the consequences and forfeit his own. This is a guy who should never have the opportunity to kill again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigeone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 55 minutes ago, Bezdomny said: I hope for same penalty for those scumbags who murdered disabled man in Bangkok. Wait, they were policeman sons? All gone quiet on that one too !! as you say policemans sons involved !! So very very wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshiba66 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If you carry a knife out on the streets with you then anything that happens with that knife is premeditated. If that knife ends up being used and the result is death then it cannot be anything but premeditated murder. Society is better off without that kind of scum in it. The sentence should be carried out the same day as in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, shady86 said: They get what they deserved. I'm still amazed with people opposing death penalty because only strict law will deter people from committing these kind of crimes. 4 How can "strict law" deter people from committing these kinds of crimes? Nothing could have prevented this. A lot of people think the death penalty is all about being a deterrent. Why not see it as a just punishment for horrific crimes committed and justice for the families. That alone makes it a good thing IMO. I'm sure the people who are against the death penalty could be turned around if their own family members or friends were brutally murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: While I don't agree with the halving of sentences for confessing, why should the fact there is strong evidence make a difference in applying the rule? because if there isn't sufficient hard evidence, merely circumstantial, you are saving the police and courts time and resources by confessing, it could also show remorse, it certainly clears the case book for which they are grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, saakura said: The sentence should be carried out immediately. No, it will not be carried out immediately. Slowly the facts seem to enlighten more and more countries that state endorsed vengeance killings don't deter criminals but make said criminals more criminal and thereby making society more dangerous. Of course only really enlightened countries will see that. Not like some countries where authorities want to execute a bunch of criminals, many of them on deathrow for years, as fast as possible, because the killing fluids are reaching their use before date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I find it quite strange that the guy isn't smiling now, as he did when he was originally at the police station after he was caught. Hope you go straight to hell where you deserve to suffer for your atrocious crime on that innocent kid, over a phone, what kind of moron does that, the extinct kind soon 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I also don't think that the DP deters future crime but it should save money by not caring for the guilty party (no free lunch) and it helps the victim's family in bringing closure. Dont know about how long between sentence and execution but in America it has failed miserably as everyone is on death row with delays and appeals... if if found guilty with sentence, carry the Damn thing out asap..it doesn't help anyone with no time table... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, steven100 said: good riddance ..... you took that poor guys life away. rot in hell. My sentiment exactly, and I really hope his death is met by a large knife in jail, they way he carved up that innocent kid ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, soalbundy said: because if there isn't sufficient hard evidence, merely circumstantial, you are saving the police and courts time and resources by confessing, it could also show remorse, it certainly clears the case book for which they are grateful. On the other hand, even if there is a confession the police must find hard evidence to minimise the chance the court condemns an innocent. Circumstantial evidence is never enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Too bad for the killers that they aren't policemen's sons or they would be running around on bail free to kill anyone else they like and the case would be dropped many years later for lack of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, soalbundy said: because if there isn't sufficient hard evidence, merely circumstantial, you are saving the police and courts time and resources by confessing, it could also show remorse, it certainly clears the case book for which they are grateful. So is it a discretionary power or is it a "hard and fast rule"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Bluespunk said: So is it a discretionary power or is it a "hard and fast rule"? No idea, that is how it was explained to me by a policeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, hansnl said: On the other hand, even if there is a confession the police must find hard evidence to minimise the chance the court condemns an innocent. Circumstantial evidence is never enough. combined with a confession it might be, but if he is going to confess he might as well tell you where he hid the knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 As you know death penalty will not be conducted. Suspended since long. They might vegetate for decades in prison. Could only change if No.1 does an ink stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Obviously their families are a bit short on big money otherwise their penalty instead of death or incarceration would be three months voluntary work in a hospital at of time of their own convenience. In Thailand justice and money are closely intertwined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, KhunBENQ said: As you know death penalty will not be conducted. Suspended since long. Could only change if No.1 does an ink stroke. I agree, they will be out in 10 years looking for another iphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, hansnl said: No, it will not be carried out immediately. Slowly the facts seem to enlighten more and more countries that state endorsed vengeance killings don't deter criminals but make said criminals more criminal and thereby making society more dangerous. Of course only really enlightened countries will see that. 1 LOL> "state-endorsed vengeance killings"... sounds like a line from an anti-capital punishment lobbyist. And then the part about making criminals more criminal and making society more dangerous. Seriously? And then, just to cap it off, you say that anyone who doesn't agree is unenlightened. I don't think you're as enlightened as you like to think you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: Or is it that the judge has the discretion to half a sentence, but there is no automatic right to it if you confess? I think you are probably right in that any leniency is at the discretion of the judges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Prbkk said: But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world. It might meet the need for vengeance, might make people feel safer...but it will not serve any useful purpose . It will serve a very useful purpose in that the two people will not be doing it again to another unfortunate victim ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Why isn't the 'flash-to-bang' as quick when victims are foreign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardrunner Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Prbkk said: But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world. It might meet the need for vengeance, might make people feel safer...but it will not serve any useful purpose . well it would stop them re offending on release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 hmmm.....learning the ability to delay gratification and having boundaries set on behaviour are 2 key factors missing in the development of many Thai youths I suggest and possibly modern youth the world over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, shady86 said: They get what they deserved. I'm still amazed with people opposing death penalty because only strict law will deter people from committing these kind of crimes. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Just like it does in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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