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No doubt you are right; I suspect the difference between the certified education and the uncertified education would be like the difference between the high school diploma and Regent's certified high school diploma in the US state of New York. The plain non-Regent diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Employers don't consider a person with that diploma to have successfully completed school. The reason is that there are tests that must be passed in English, Math, Social studies, Science, etc to get a Regent's diploma. If you don't pass all the tests, you get the regular diploma.

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No doubt you are right; I suspect the difference between the certified education and the uncertified education would be like the difference between the high school diploma and Regent's certified high school diploma in the US state of New York.  The plain non-Regent diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Employers don't consider a person with that diploma to have successfully completed school. The reason is that there are tests that must be passed in English, Math, Social studies, Science, etc to get a Regent's diploma. If you don't pass all the tests, you get the regular diploma.

Actually, the education here is the same since, as kids, they study along with other kids as a normal student

As an adult, they will use the same study materials as any other govt school, but they can sit an exam for each level more often (also the same test as 'normal' students), and can move through many grades in one year. My ex-wife went through on such program and she went from M1- M6 in 2 terms of study(1 school year). 6 years is normal.

The certificates/diplomas are both the same, so no issues about that, but, no ID means no paper. Records, yes, diplomas, no. But an education is an education, no matter if one is legal or not. Education is ALWAYS an advantage, for EVERYONE.

Oh, and I'm a bit sensitive on this topic because I was a teacher for more than 25 years, 18 of them in Thailand public schools...I'm retired now, and grateful for the peace and quiet :o

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Got a call from one of the boys five days ago while I was not in and left me a message to call back their mobile phone.

For five days I had made numerous call to their mobile phone but couldn't get through.

Lost contact with them for 5 days already...

Hope they are alright.

Fingers crossed.

Regards,

Tommy

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They were deported because they do not have Thai ID cards;

So Everyone who doesn't have a Thai ID card gets sent to Burma? and the Burmese government have no say at all in this? ###### that Taksin is one powerful guy.

/sm

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They were deported because they do not have Thai ID cards; they do not have Thai ID cards because they have no Thai birth certificate; they have no Thai birth certificate because their mothers were unable to/not allowed to/ignorant of the need to register their birth at the amphur. From what I have read, the hill tribe mothers frequently are laughed at if they try to register a child's birth. MMV with which amphur it is, and just how much the local officials there hate the hill tribes. It's a systematic discrimination designed to eliminate the hill tribes. As an added bonus, you can't go to university without a high school certificate, you can't go to high school without a grade school certificate, and a grade school certificate will not be issued to a child without ...you guessed it...a birth certificate. Even if they do finish all those levels of education.

You are mistaken about education in Thailand, and I think you are quoting from some nonsense on David's website, which is full of wrong, bad and ignorant information about Akha and other hilltribes. Like saying that 'chao khaw' means 'rent rice' (and his statement that this term is used to show how low Thais think of hilltribes)... It means 'people (chao) of the mountain (khao)' Period.

Any person in Thailand can get a Thai education in govt schools. You don't need a cert to take high-school level classes or lower. The Thai Ministry of Education has made it a point to make education available to all, no matter their birthplace. A number of schools in the north also provide evening and weekend classes so as to try to make it possible for day workers to also get an education. But, in order to get a registered certificate, you must have an ID...It doesn't mean they can't attend school or get an education. And it's true that you need an ID to register at a university.

Yes, it's a shame that nobody has ever taken steps to get the kid's birth registered. Stories about officials laughing at Akha wanting to register a Thai birth are most likely propaganda, spread by some with other agendas. A lot of crap gets spread around here. The kids birthcan still be registered if the Puu Yai Baan in his birth village can verify his birth, even many years later. With a birth certificate, he can likely get a pink ID card, which can later lead to full Thai citizenship.

True and valid points Ajarn. The propogandists have a different agenda.

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They were deported because they do not have Thai ID cards;

So Everyone who doesn't have a Thai ID card gets sent to Burma? and the Burmese government have no say at all in this? ###### that Taksin is one powerful guy.

/sm

It does seem strange, doesn't it?

Just a guess, but this 'BB1' camp could possibly be some kind of temporary 'safe area', maybe even located in one of the many areas where demarcation is an on-going issue...From the message that was sent back, it seems there is a time limit for staying there??

A few years ago, I was tryinig to help my wife get a passport from Burma. (She is Shan, born in Shan State, and is one of many Shan with family roots on both sides of the border)

They told her she would have to apply in Rangoon, but she would be arrested for being illegaly in Thailand, since her papers had expired long ago...

Anyway, it could be that after a period of time in a safe area, they are turned over to the Burmese....My best guess would be they would be used as slave labour for the military, or conscripted to one of the many govt Mega projects going on in Burma now. Or simply let go...

Just to reinterate, I'm purely guessing. I have no real knowledge of what the current situation is for stateless persons in Thailand or Burma.

I certainly wish the best for them...The kids, I mean.

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