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BANGKOK 19 January 2019 06:45
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U.S. Navy destroyer, Philippines merchant vessel collide off Japan

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1 hour ago, quadperfect said:

Yes but since the cole there is a minimum distance any vessel big or small is allowed to approach a war ship.If you enter this space you get fired upon.So this ship should have been fired on, not ramed.

Its really pathetic. Unless there is some kind of story behind the story.

Like the navy ship running dark and manuvering near this ship. They do usually run dark no ais no lights etc.

Somone really screwed up.

 

 

minimum distance allowed ???

fired upon ???

 

says who ???

 

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1 hour ago, Mansell said:

Never assume you have the right of way at sea......in fact assume the opposite. The destroyer captain will be losing his command asap. Merchant ships have minimal people on watch at any time. And a warship is pretty small compared to them. I hope they find the crew members....but probably not. Sad day for the navy.

 

assume the opposit? OK as long as we talk about assumptions and not behaviour

 

but having the right of way and start behaving like you don't have the right of way scares the shit out of the ships

around you, causes confusion and is typically something which may lead to crashes

 

the merchant ship should have at least two people on the bridge, navigator and lookout (many tend to skip the lookout  though, not good)

navy vessels are typically the opposite, bridge packed with people, does not make a good working environment

when navigating in heavy traffic and/or restricted waters

(there was an interesting example of that some years back in the waterway between Chessapeeke and Wash DC,

 a US navy training cutter was cut in two by an oncoming container vessel (I think it was))

 

navy officers are often not very good navigators or ship handlers, navy ships are costly to run and operate, hence, they tend to spend an awfull lot of time relaxing in harbours

not giving the navigators sufficient training and experience and practice with ship handling

 

 

 

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USS Fitzgerald collision: Trump criticised for leaving key posts unfilled

Lack of navy secretary and ambassador to Japan could hamper communications in search for missing crew,

says former official (sub-title)

 

"Donald Trump has been criticised for delays in appointing a navy secretary and ambassador to Japan,

leaving a communications vacuum as the countries continued their search for seven missing sailors off the east coast of Japan."

 

"The US has been without an ambassador to Japan since Caroline Kennedy left Tokyo in January."

 

"Brandon Friedman, a former Obama administration official and co-founder of the McPherson Square Group, a strategic communications firm in Washington, pointed to the absence of an ambassador and navy secretary – two officials who would be expected to take a lead in liaising between the US navy, and Japanese and US government officials during the search."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/17/uss-fitzgerald-collision-trump-criticised-for-leaving-key-posts-unfilled

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3 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No, I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE 
           UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS 
           AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. 
           THAT'S ONE-FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE 
           SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

you beat me to it, I was searching the net for this !!!!!

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3 hours ago, iReason said:

USS Fitzgerald collision: Trump criticised for leaving key posts unfilled

Lack of navy secretary and ambassador to Japan could hamper communications in search for missing crew,

says former official (sub-title)

 

"Donald Trump has been criticised for delays in appointing a navy secretary and ambassador to Japan,

leaving a communications vacuum as the countries continued their search for seven missing sailors off the east coast of Japan."

 

"The US has been without an ambassador to Japan since Caroline Kennedy left Tokyo in January."

 

"Brandon Friedman, a former Obama administration official and co-founder of the McPherson Square Group, a strategic communications firm in Washington, pointed to the absence of an ambassador and navy secretary – two officials who would be expected to take a lead in liaising between the US navy, and Japanese and US government officials during the search."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/17/uss-fitzgerald-collision-trump-criticised-for-leaving-key-posts-unfilled

The USS Fitzgerald might sink off Japan and the U.S. President can't call our Ambassador or our Navy Secretary because we have neither

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship-japan/index.html

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Call me old fashioned but I thought that ships had this thing called 'radar' which shows what is going on with other ships in the area?!?!

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6 hours ago, cruisemonkey said:

 

At this point everything is speculation. However, it's a safe bet to say either a Filipino master mariner or a U.S. commander will be sailing a desk from now on.

...probably both.

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1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Court martial for somebody coming up. 

If it was a bus driver what got 7 passengers killed there would be hell to pay. If the captain just loses his job he is getting off very lucky.

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With the navigation systems on ships today you can lock onto other ships well in advance to determine if there is any possibility of collision so that a change of course can be made if necessary. Looking at the point of collision on the destroyer it appears that the US vessel had the right of way.  Results of the investigation should be interesting but some should lose their command or positions.

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