Patong - The Wake

[LaoPo 343]

12 hours ago, Old Croc said:

Yes, I lost about 3,000 posts in that forum rejig way back then.

Some stopped posting altogether, others slowed their contributions significantly.

 

Yes, I lost about the same number of posts and it was unfair IMHO because posts are posts, but life goes on Croc 

[LaoPo 343]

5 hours ago, billythehat said:

 

 

 

On the subject of the Chinese, I wondered what they thought/said about their own experiences whilst on a first holiday outside of rural China…maybe a postcard…

 

 

 

Maybe you should learn a little about foreign tourists, their expenditures, length of stay and numbers to Thailand ?

 

http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

 

So childish and generalizing to point a finger to a certain country.

 

I could name a few other tourist groups from countries, like Australia, UK, Netherlands, Middle East to name a few who behave like animals when on holiday but that doesn't mean that ALL tourists from these countries behave like animals, do they?

 

NO, they don't, its' always the bad and ugly who stand out and attract the attention.

 

I've watched dozens of Ozzies, both adult men and women in Kuta Bali in a club, all totally beserk, drunk, shouting, screaming and absolutely disgusting; the same with British, Dutch and Scandinavian youngsters, holidaying in Greece, Spain, Italy..absolutely disgusting.

 

That doesn't mean that the far majority of tourists from ALL of said countries don't behave decent...they do, very much so.

 

And, I've never seen Asian/Asean or Chinese groups, totally drunk and out of their minds, did you? 

I didn't.

 

 

 

 

[xylophone 11,643]

1 hour ago, LaoPo said:

And, I've never seen Asian/Asean or Chinese groups, totally drunk and out of their minds, did you? 

Yes I have, to the point of throwing up.

 

But I've NEVER seen any nationality snotting in shopping centres, crapping on the pavement next to a restaurant or cutting their toenails on tables in a café. Unruly behaviour I can just about put up with, but filthy and disgusting behaviour such as displayed by the Chinese here; no way.

 

And the post by billythehat, although humorous, contains many truths...........

 

You should get out more.

[LaoPo 343]

40 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

 

But I've NEVER seen any nationality snotting in shopping centres, crapping on the pavement next to a restaurant or cutting their toenails on tables in a café. Unruly behaviour I can just about put up with, but filthy and disgusting behaviour such as displayed by the Chinese here; no way.

 

 

 

I haven't , and I have been traveling to Patong Beach, Asia & China for business and leisure since 1979.

 

Maybe you have a special "Chinese" eye which I haven't and you have no eye for other Farang nationalities behaving badly 

 

I have watched Ozzies, both men and women throwing up, behaving drunk and ugly to the lowest of them all but to be honest: I've seen other nationalities also, but no Chinese.

 

Maybe you should move since they're more than doubling the number in the coming years 

If you can't beat them..join them 

Good luck 

 

PS: But, to be honest, of course there are a lot of bad apples in every tourist-nation and I'm sure you have bad behaving farang apples in Bangla road every evening also.

And of course (mainland) Chinese bad apples will stand out because of the huge numbers (close to 9 million in 2016 to Thailand).

 

But one has to be understanding that Chinese in general are only traveling abroad since recent years and were not "spoiled" the same as we were, used to travel abroad since our youth.

Many of them still have to learn a lot but again, the far majority is behaving correctly, and that counts for all nationalities.

 

Q: how many times have you visited China and when? 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by LaoPo

[Destiny1990 7,294]

31 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

 

I haven't , and I have been traveling to Patong Beach, Asia & China for business and leisure since 1979.

 

Maybe you have a special "Chinese" eye which I haven't and you have no eye for other Farang nationalities behaving badly 

 

I have watched Ozzies, both men and women throwing up, behaving drunk and ugly to the lowest of them all but to be honest: I've seen other nationalities also, but no Chinese.

 

Maybe you should move since they're more than doubling the number in the coming years 

If you can't beat them..join them 

Good luck 

 

PS: But, to be honest, of course there are a lot of bad apples in every tourist-nation and I'm sure you have bad behaving farang apples in Bangla road every evening also.

And of course (mainland) Chinese bad apples will stand out because of the huge numbers (close to 9 million in 2016 to Thailand).

 

But one has to be understanding that Chinese in general are only traveling abroad since recent years and were not "spoiled" the same as we were, used to travel abroad since our youth.

Many of them still have to learn a lot but again, the far majority is behaving correctly, and that counts for all nationalities.

 

Q: how many times have you visited China and when? 

 

 

 

 

 

These chinese seem very communicative and vocal its to bad that this generation seems only to do express themselves  in their own Chinese language.

They do have sone balls sometimes they start long conversations without a care in the world for the 12 clients waiting behind them with the 7/11 cashier were both sides do not master any English. Always amusing ? Soom na na for both!!

[LaoPo 343]

17 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

These chinese seem very communicative and vocal its to bad that this generation seems only to do express themselves  in their own Chinese language.

They do have sone balls sometimes they start long conversations without a care in the world for the 12 clients waiting behind them with the 7/11 cashier were both sides do not master any English. Always amusing ? Soom na na for both!!

 

Speaking English for most Chinese is not common or even necessary since they live in a 100% Chinese environment, have no access to foreign English Television channels or websites and they communicate in either their own dialect, Mandarin or Cantonese next to dozens of other Chinese dialects.

 

It's a pity that many Chinese youngsters still don't study English but how many of westerners study Mandarin..?

 

Although I speak, write and read a number of foreign languages I also never managed to study Mandarin; it's simply too complicated.

 

 

[xylophone 11,643]

56 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

I haven't , and I have been traveling to Patong Beach, Asia & China for business and leisure since 1979.

Well if I have got "a Chinese eye" you are quite possibly blind to their filthy habits.......not that the customers and manager at Starbucks was just recently, when one was clipping his toenails and dry feet skin on the table.

 

If you were to read other posts on TV you would see MANY similar posts regarding their habits and posters who lived there say likewise. 

 

My girlfriend in NZ was physically sick when she had to clean the toilet of an apt she rented to two young Chinese students........excrement up the walls, on the floor and urine soaked carpets etc etc. The kitchen wasn't quite as bad.

 

Anyway enough of this about these disgusting habits as I am sure the mods will stop this soon.

 

As I recall you were commenting on my post about things in general in Patong, and felt the need to post a patronizing response about it, offering me advice on how to live my and life/spend my time!!

 

I shall continue to post that which I observe and if you want to spend your time posting patronizing responses....then up to you!

[xylophone 11,643]

8 hours ago, billythehat said:

On the drainage item, I can comment that with the main carrier sewer drainage pipelines, whilst appearing to be of sufficient diameter, have been laid with woefully inadequate gradient to discharge the flow from all the lateral drains connected into them. Drainage gradients are specified to allow a flow that is not too fast, not too slow, and to allow an optimum flow speed which performs a self-cleansing function. Silting up will always be a problem where the network is seriously flawed, not by design but by poor supervision and construction. It is what it is I suppose…

Thanks for that explanation 'bth'.........and don't hold much hope out for the future performance of these newly laid drains!!

 

Seem to recall other drainage systems in the new middle road be re-laid several times and still the BIB house gets wet!

[LaoPo 343]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Well if I have got "a Chinese eye" you are quite possibly blind to their filthy habits.......not that the customers and manager at Starbucks was just recently, when one was clipping his toenails and dry feet skin on the table.

 

If you were to read other posts on TV you would see MANY similar posts regarding their habits and posters who lived there say likewise. 

 

My girlfriend in NZ was physically sick when she had to clean the toilet of an apt she rented to two young Chinese students........excrement up the walls, on the floor and urine soaked carpets etc etc. The kitchen wasn't quite as bad.

 

Anyway enough of this about these disgusting habits as I am sure the mods will stop this soon.

 

As I recall you were commenting on my post about things in general in Patong, and felt the need to post a patronizing response about it, offering me advice on how to live my and life/spend my time!!

 

I shall continue to post that which I observe and if you want to spend your time posting patronizing responses....then up to you!

 

I feel sorry for the bad experiences you witnessed and/or experienced; very bad examples indeed but that doesn't mean all almost 9 million Chinese tourists behaved badly, did they?

Would you like that I wrote badly about your own countrymen if I saw some of them behaving badly and suggesting ALL (NZ?) were that bad?

 

No patronizing from my side and not intended that way, just suggestions,  and I suggest we both live our lives the way we do, you in "your" Patong and in my lovely environment in Thailand with lots of very good behaving and polite Chinese and wish you lots of happiness without bad experiences.

 

You certainly had more bad luck with foreign tourists than I did and I'm coming to Asia and knowing Chinese for more than 38 years.

Bad luck for you I suppose or bad living environment perhaps ?

 

Have a nice day  

 

and Khob Khun Krab 

 

 

[Destiny1990 7,294]

30 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

 

Speaking English for most Chinese is not common or even necessary since they live in a 100% Chinese environment, have no access to foreign English Television channels or websites and they communicate in either their own dialect, Mandarin or Cantonese next to dozens of other Chinese dialects.

 

It's a pity that many Chinese youngsters still don't study English but how many of westerners study Mandarin..?

 

Although I speak, write and read a number of foreign languages I also never managed to study Mandarin; it's simply too complicated.

 

 

But in 20 years time they will and it be interesting talking with the Chinese better then just observing them..

[LaoPo 343]

1 minute ago, Destiny1990 said:

But in 20 years time they will and it be interesting talking with the Chinese better then just observing them..

 

I hope so although I think it will take more time; there are simply, like in Thailand, not enough English (both Chinese or foreign) teachers to teach many hundreds of millions of young students.

 

It's a very complicated society with many different ethnic groups and customs and there's no country in the world with the same huge population and one can't compare "Chinese" with any other nationality.

 

What I DID witness since 1979 is the hautain behaviour by some westerners who always know better than the Asian people, whether Chinese, Thai, Indonesian or else.

 

They forget that Asia is quickly becoming the strongest "force" in the world (more than 65% of the world population) and they won't accept such behaviour anymore.

 

 

[KarenBravo 10,129]

3 hours ago, LaoPo said:

 

Maybe you should learn a little about foreign tourists, their expenditures, length of stay and numbers to Thailand ?

 

http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

 

So childish and generalizing to point a finger to a certain country.

 

I could name a few other tourist groups from countries, like Australia, UK, Netherlands, Middle East to name a few who behave like animals when on holiday but that doesn't mean that ALL tourists from these countries behave like animals, do they?

 

NO, they don't, its' always the bad and ugly who stand out and attract the attention.

 

I've watched dozens of Ozzies, both adult men and women in Kuta Bali in a club, all totally beserk, drunk, shouting, screaming and absolutely disgusting; the same with British, Dutch and Scandinavian youngsters, holidaying in Greece, Spain, Italy..absolutely disgusting.

 

That doesn't mean that the far majority of tourists from ALL of said countries don't behave decent...they do, very much so.

 

And, I've never seen Asian/Asean or Chinese groups, totally drunk and out of their minds, did you? 

I didn't.

 

 

 

 

Yes, but, there's a difference.

The British, Dutch and Scandinavian youngsters know that they are misbehaving (when you're young, that's why it's done).

With the Chinese, their shouting, spitting, slurping, shoving etc. is all part of their cultural heritage. For them, they are doing nothing wrong. They are just acting normally, as they would at home.

 

Because of this difference, only a few Western youth behave badly. As for the Chinese, generally, the ones we see, all behave that way. 

[billythehat 305]

4 hours ago, LaoPo said:

 

Maybe you should learn a little about foreign tourists, their expenditures, length of stay and numbers to Thailand ?

 

http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

 

So childish and generalizing to point a finger to a certain country.

 

I could name a few other tourist groups from countries, like Australia, UK, Netherlands, Middle East to name a few who behave like animals when on holiday but that doesn't mean that ALL tourists from these countries behave like animals, do they?

 

NO, they don't, its' always the bad and ugly who stand out and attract the attention.

 

I've watched dozens of Ozzies, both adult men and women in Kuta Bali in a club, all totally beserk, drunk, shouting, screaming and absolutely disgusting; the same with British, Dutch and Scandinavian youngsters, holidaying in Greece, Spain, Italy..absolutely disgusting.

 

That doesn't mean that the far majority of tourists from ALL of said countries don't behave decent...they do, very much so.

 

And, I've never seen Asian/Asean or Chinese groups, totally drunk and out of their minds, did you? 

I didn't.

 

 

 

 

Ha ha ha, cranky old social justice warrior with humour bypass surgery…excellent material for another postcard! 

 

 

[KarenBravo 10,129]

LaoPo is an excellent photographer and some of the threads he has started in the Photography sub-forum are well worth looking at. He's treated there as a bit of a guru due to his knowledge.

 

Trouble is, is that this ain't the photography sub-forum..........

[xylophone 11,643]

2 hours ago, LaoPo said:

 

I feel sorry for the bad experiences you witnessed and/or experienced; very bad examples indeed but that doesn't mean all almost 9 million Chinese tourists behaved badly, did they?

Would you like that I wrote badly about your own countrymen if I saw some of them behaving badly and suggesting ALL (NZ?) were that bad?

 

No patronizing from my side and not intended that way, just suggestions,  and I suggest we both live our lives the way we do, you in "your" Patong and in my lovely environment in Thailand with lots of very good behaving and polite Chinese and wish you lots of happiness without bad experiences.

 

You certainly had more bad luck with foreign tourists than I did and I'm coming to Asia and knowing Chinese for more than 38 years.

Bad luck for you I suppose or bad living environment perhaps ?

 

Have a nice day  

 

and Khob Khun Krab 

 

 

I am so happy that you like your environment and all of its lovely Chinese and perhaps you deserve one another.

 

As Karen Bravo has pointed out, it's not just a few of the Chinese who are rude, dirty and sometimes disgusting, because of all of the hotel owners, guesthouse owners and workers, shop and bar owners and all of their staff, including the staff in Big C, restaurants and other retailers here, I don't know one who likes these people, and these folks would number in the many hundreds (along with motorbike taxi drivers who hate them with a vengeance because they block the roads and have absolutely no road sense, thereby endangering others).

 

I don't know of any bad living environments (with perhaps the exception of Lagos) as you stated, because I have always found something of interest, pleasure and/or beauty in everywhere I've been, from Auckland to Amsterdam, Rarotonga to Rochelle, Sydney to St Petersburg, Sussex to the Sahara and Paris to Patong, and that's the beauty of being balanced and, "getting out more" which is what I've always done.

 

Now that you seem to be spending more time on your computer, you may wish to peruse a few other posts and see what other folks have to say about your preferred race – – but be prepared as you might get a shock, because those rose tinted glasses may not shield you from reality.

 

Have a really lovely, beautiful and scenic day, and if not today then tomorrow and forever henceforth.