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14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I have said the same in many posts in the previous "Patong is dead" thread – – no it isn't dead, however it is struggling.

 

Despite the fact that it is struggling and there are some fairly obvious signs around, for the average everyday holidaymaker, they probably wouldn't notice any difference. They might not look down the back of the two Tiger establishments to see the empty bars, they won't know that where now there is nothing, there used to be thriving Sois and they certainly won't know that there are condos/apartments/houses which have been for sale here for years.

 

I doubt if they would even venture to look at the  Phanason, Ace, Dinso unfinished/derelict condominium projects, not to mention several other unfinished buildings around the place......... this because they are here with one thing in mind, and that's to enjoy their holiday, not to analyse the state of play here, so to speak.

 

They also won't know about the reduction in business over previous years (yes I know it's now low season, but that's a comparison to other low seasons) because these things are just not advertised.

 

No it's not dead, and as I have often said, it will be alive for many years to come, but in what state that will be, well that's anyone's guess, however a few of my recent posts do give a clue as to where I think this place is heading.

Agreed, Xylophone .. the truth is , I presume, you have been in Phuket for some time now and so can analyze the "Phuket - story" far better .. 

 I can see that you have great affection for Phuket / Patong and really want this fine holiday-destination to pick itself up one more time  .......  recapture its past glory .. Perhaps it will !! 

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22 minutes ago, Prometheus33 said:

Agreed, Xylophone .. the truth is , I presume, you have been in Phuket for some time now and so can analyze the "Phuket - story" far better .. 

 I can see that you have great affection for Phuket / Patong and really want this fine holiday-destination to pick itself up one more time  .......  recapture its past glory .. Perhaps it will !! 

Have been living here for about 11 years now and first holidayed here in early 2004 and I have often said that my biggest disappointment is in the fact that Patong hasn't become the place that it could/aspire to be.

 

Instead greed and corruption have got it in a stranglehold  and all the while those people can extract money from it any way they can, it will not improve. A look at the infrastructure.....defined as "the basic physical systems of a business or nation; transportation, communication, sewage, water and electric systems"  will give you a clue, then the unfinished and poorly finished  buildings..........etc etc.

 

Add to that the blatant corruption which sees many small businesses having to pay tea money and you can BEGIN to see why I post like I do, this esp as I decided to make it my retirement home.

 

Disappointed but stay positive through having friends and "family" here as well as trying to enjoy myself (internet, wine, cooking, small jobs for folk and so on). Also have put down some roots and really don't want to move again at my time of life!!!!!

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Moving back to what I miss, Rang Rak pub over the hill in Kathu near to what is now Tiger Kingdom.  Around 2006 or so.  Great place to stop after golf waiting for the traffic to clear going back to Patong.  Lots of Kathu regulars.  Food OK.  Peter sold it and it was never the same.  Several iterations since and all failed.

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1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Have been living here for about 11 years now and first holidayed here in early 2004 and I have often said that my biggest disappointment is in the fact that Patong hasn't become the place that it could/aspire to be.

 

Instead greed and corruption have got it in a stranglehold  and all the while those people can extract money from it any way they can, it will not improve. A look at the infrastructure.....defined as "the basic physical systems of a business or nation; transportation, communication, sewage, water and electric systems"  will give you a clue, then the unfinished and poorly finished  buildings..........etc etc.

 

Add to that the blatant corruption which sees many small businesses having to pay tea money and you can BEGIN to see why I post like I do, this esp as I decided to make it my retirement home.

 

Disappointed but stay positive through having friends and "family" here as well as trying to enjoy myself (internet, wine, cooking, small jobs for folk and so on). Also have put down some roots and really don't want to move again at my time of life!!!!!

I see that Xylophone, you have quite a "stake" but a little optimism wouldn't hurt .. To tell the truth I can understand just how terrible it feels when you see a place you have become part of, tied a cord to go under.. The pain, anguish and the emptiness within is almost terrifying .. Yes, I can relate .. My "wonderful place in the sun" went under (in different circumstances of course) ...... and with it my marriage and business ....... Yours is still there and probably can be salvaged .. 

You know what ?! I was going to purchase a holiday property in Phuket .. You have given me  reasons to re-think real hard about it .. 

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Patong Resort tower was the signal.

When the law stated that a building at that distance from the beach could not build higher than a coconut palm tree, and yet, it so blatantly got built, it spawned the joke that Patong had the tallest coconut trees in the world.

 

It also showed land owners that rules were now considered "flexible". And thus the start (in earnest) of converting what was a virtual paradise into what it is today.

 

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On 6/29/2017 at 9:56 AM, KarenBravo said:

Patong Resort tower was the signal.

When the law stated that a building at that distance from the beach could not build higher than a coconut palm tree, and yet, it so blatantly got built, it spawned the joke that Patong had the tallest coconut trees in the world.

 

It also showed land owners that rules were now considered "flexible". And thus the start (in earnest) of converting what was a virtual paradise into what it is today.

 

Is that the tall white building i call the leaning tower of pizza, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a local that looking at it from the southern point of Patong bay its at a slant, Either that or all the other building around it are at a angle

When i came here for a holiday in 1995 i think it was, the street touts were handing out pamphlets offering units/ flats/ apartments or maybe called townhouses now from 260K baht purchase price  

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10 minutes ago, madmax2 said:

Is that the tall white building i call the leaning tower of pizza, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a local that looking at it from the southern point of Patong bay its at a slant, Either that or all the other building around it are at a angle

When i came here for a holiday in 1995 i think it was, the street touts were handing out pamphlets offering units/ flats/ apartments or maybe called townhouses now from 260K baht purchase price  

 

We always called it the black tower as there never were any lights on in the condo units at night.  Quite a troubled management situation. Yes a timeshare outfit had an big office one of the upper floors but they disappeared years ago. 

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Xylophone , I think I am beginning to see just what worries you about Phuket (and Patong).. You have seen this place in its glory , lived here and been a part of that celebration.. Now you see it fading , or you think its fading .. You look and can no longer find those "traits" which enamoured you to Patong in the first place .. even little things, which will not, is not, visible to me or numerous others like me ..
You see, development is such a crazy thing and the end purpose of every "development" is always "profit" (Money or equivalent, if you will) .. Nothing else !!
So, this had to happen and you will find this being repeated everywhere in the world .. I am quite certain that land prices in Patong must have spiralled in the past few years....... The consequences are simple economics .. The "quaint little place", that little house with a pretty little garden , the small cafe with a huge open area out front .. they were all bulldozed to make way for a High rise Apartment block or an hotel or a mall .. This , of course, paves way for greed and more greed and this is where we lose the perspective .. Profit or plunder ?! Because to profit from a venture is fine but to Plunder , isn't !! I think this is what bothers one .. You are with the change, but qualitative changes and alternatives ..
The place will survive and you will have many wonderful memories yet , just you wait !!
Don't worry too much ..
the Chinese tourists and the "not wealthy" Russians , even Indians (like yours truly) or Mideasterners will keep flocking and then be gone ..
Oh, haha, I survived the "disaster" alright, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this now or contemplating the purchase of a holiday home in Patong .......... that ordeal I count as .. "knowledge" !!
Cheers !!



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It's not so much that some of us want it back the way it was, that's not realistic or desirable.

It is just that many things have gone that we did enjoy.

 

We used to walk from along north along Ratuchit Rd, past Soi Sai Nam Yen and on the right, where the Novotel now stands, we used to watch and photograph the Water Buffalo's there. Amazing animals. Then walk up to the corner where was one of the old fashioned wind up petrol pumps with a glass to show the quantity and stuck into a 44 gallon drum, which was amazing to us.

 

On a wet day we just stayed in our little bungalow and waited for the hundreds of toads to come out and croak and leap all over the place.

It was so humid, the primitive air con couldn't cope, so it was too hot for a <deleted> so we'd sit under the verandah and read and marvel at the delights of a tropical garden and the life in it.

 

Now on a wet day we wander down, or drive 200m to Jung Ceylon's underground carpark and go up to Coffee Club or a restaurant and marvel at the multitude of tourists, their behaviour, attractiveness and whether they know that T shirt they are wearing is saying <deleted> me or something equally as offensive.

 

I'd rather have the old days but hey! the now days are pretty damn good too.

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12 hours ago, Prometheus33 said:

Xylophone , I think I am beginning to see just what worries you about Phuket (and Patong).. You have seen this place in its glory , lived here and been a part of that celebration.. Now you see it fading , or you think its fading .. You look and can no longer find those "traits" which enamoured you to Patong in the first place .. even little things, which will not, is not, visible to me or numerous others like me ..
You see, development is such a crazy thing and the end purpose of every "development" is always "profit" (Money or equivalent, if you will) .. Nothing else !!
So, this had to happen and you will find this being repeated everywhere in the world .. I am quite certain that land prices in Patong must have spiralled in the past few years....... The consequences are simple economics .. The "quaint little place", that little house with a pretty little garden , the small cafe with a huge open area out front .. they were all bulldozed to make way for a High rise Apartment block or an hotel or a mall .. This , of course, paves way for greed and more greed and this is where we lose the perspective .. Profit or plunder ?! Because to profit from a venture is fine but to Plunder , isn't !! I think this is what bothers one .. You are with the change, but qualitative changes and alternatives ..
The place will survive and you will have many wonderful memories yet , just you wait !!
Don't worry too much ..
the Chinese tourists and the "not wealthy" Russians , even Indians (like yours truly) or Mideasterners will keep flocking and then be gone ..
Oh, haha, I survived the "disaster" alright, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this now or contemplating the purchase of a holiday home in Patong .......... that ordeal I count as .. "knowledge" !!
Cheers !!



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You are making too much of my posts.

 

Simple really........greed and corruption have resulted in poor infrastructure, overbuilding, lack of a "tourist vision" and scams. 

 

I am aware that other places in the world change, as change is the only constant, but it's how they change and here it hasn't been for the better. Having said that I will reiterate what Patong2 has said inasmuch as the now days are pretty good, that's one reason why I stay.

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Wandering around last night in Patong and earlier in the week and there are noticeably more tourists.

There are more women wearing  headscarves than there was and we were wondering if there are more incoming tourists due to the end of Ramadan? Also the odd one in full burqa.

Do Muslims tend to stay home in that period?

Nice to see more people here, they are needed.

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