webfact Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Thailand to get tough on foreigners working without work permits, employers also targeted File photo BANGKOK:-- Thailand has introduced new laws aimed at controlling the amount of migrant workers in the country, as well as foreigners who work in Thailand illegally. Under the new laws, which have now come into effect, people who employ foreign workers illegally will also face tougher punishments, with employers set to face fines of between 400,000 – 800,000 THB for each foreigner they employ illegally. Foreigners found working without a work permit face fines of between 2,000 - 100,000 THB or imprisonment of a maximum of 5 years. Foreigners who engage in work different to that which is registered in their work permit will be fined up to 100,000 THB. Under Thai law, some foreigners are prohibited from working in certain professions such as manual work, agriculture and secretarial work. In total there are 39 occupations prohibited to foreigners. Meanwhile, the new laws will also help to protect the rights of migrant workers in Thailand. Any employer found to be violating the rights of a migrant worker or who withholds important documents from the worker will face fines up to a maximum of 100,000 THB. The new penalties were published in the Royal Gazette in a document dated 22 June 2017. -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-06-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttisan Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Doesn't sound like good news for the TEFL industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Working in Thailand is a lot of hassle, unless someone else does all the paperwork for you I would not recommend it, there's plenty of other countries which make things a whole lot easier. I know someone who was fined for painting a wall and know of someone else who was fined for momentarily holding some cables up for a workman. If you work in Thailand as a foreigner and you will be surveilled by under cover police and they will pounce if you so much as make one tiny 'mistake' - this is with a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 curious to know what work permit the Russian girls have in Pattaya? Sexy Real Estate Agent or Head Nurse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavomir Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Bad news for digital nomads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidedog Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Thailand to get tough? That's hysterical. They have been making themselves busy for years, creating situations that can be loosely interpreted as work to screw farang out of money, but now they are going to actually get tough on it. I suspect every reader here knows of more than one who has been set up and "fined." Do they mean they are actually going to start issuing receipts for the "fines?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 FDI (foreign direct investment) will not improve that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Slavomir said: Bad news for digital nomads? Too much work to catch a digital nomad and proving the case.. easier to hold them out by not granting visa's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marquess Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 What do they care, it seems that the Thai establishment are always going out of their way to make life harder for foreigners; this is just another example. Legitimately married foreigners ought to be given the right of residency and the right to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 " some foreigners are prohibited from working in certain professions such as manual work" Good luck getting the Thais to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Foreigners who engage in work different to that which is registered in their work permit will be fined up to 100,000 THB. My lawyer told me to register too be able to work in all positions in the company to protect myself. I was informed that I could only work at the address my company was registered at, this is another stupid rule if you are working countrywide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Did I fall asleep and April 1st rolled around again without my noticing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Surely 5 years in jail for not having a work permit is a bit harsh. I can't think of another country where that would be threatened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 an excuse to extort more money from poor migrant workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Slavomir said: Bad news for digital nomads? We are not working in Thailand , we just live here as tourists. Pay taxes to home country etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Suttisan said: Doesn't sound like good news for the TEFL industry. why not? you can bring in all the laws you want but if the authorities dont enforce them they aren't worth the paper they're written on. and thailand doesn't have a great record of enforcement of legislation (unless there is something in it for them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I can't imagine this would really apply to people working online. People having money sent from another country and spent here. I'd imagine these people would be wanted. The only problem here is nationalism and a false sense of pride. I mean the government could make these people legal and have them paying taxes. But no. They'd rather have them paying no taxes and pretend they don't exist while the economy enjoys the money they spend here. I told a Thai friend about the elite visa. He seemed disappointed that you could simply buy a long term visa. Trying to explain to him about how the world works and how money will always trump morals and integrity with people who don't them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So according to the article: --a single worker working illegally without a work permit can face up to 5 years in prison. --but employer using a factory full of illegal/un-permitted workers can only be fined but no prison time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, marquess said: What do they care, it seems that the Thai establishment are always going out of their way to make life harder for foreigners; this is just another example. Legitimately married foreigners ought to be given the right of residency and the right to work. Don't be ridiculous Right of residency?? What for? It's not like the country attracts quality individuals, is it? You've got all manner of deadbeats coming here, getting married and divorced inside a year and a lot of them can't even meet the 400k criteria for a 1 year extension. If you've got marketable/in-demand skills, (engineering, finance, software etc) it's a piece of piss to work legally in Thailand. If you're just a mope with 10 years' experience as a brickie, forget it. Thailand's got lots of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, Thai Ron said: If you're just a mope with 10 years' experience as a brickie, forget it. Thailand's got lots of those. could try teaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Dave67 said: " some foreigners are prohibited from working in certain professions such as manual work" Good luck getting the Thais to do it A Thai friend of mine has a car care business. He employed Mon workers from Myanmar, 3 days ago they all had to quit due to no work permits. They've gone back to try to get legal, how much it's going to cost is still uncertain but my friend swears by them. Hardworking and on time. They couldn't believe it when he gave them a New Year bonus last year. As he said, Thais don't want to do dirty , hard or dangerous work, not that I would put car cleaning in any of those categories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, AGareth2 said: could try teaching For 30-40K a month? Hardly worth it, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Thai Ron said: For 30-40K a month? Hardly worth it, is it? might be OK for a Brickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, bannork said: A Thai friend of mine has a car care business. He employed Mon workers from Myanmar, 3 days ago they all had to quit due to no work permits. They've gone back to try to get legal, how much it's going to cost is still uncertain but my friend swears by them. Hardworking and on time. They couldn't believe it when he gave them a New Year bonus last year. As he said, Thais don't want to do dirty , hard or dangerous work, not that I would put car cleaning in any of those categories! indeed, many western countries have jobs that the locals dont want to/wont do and are often snapped up by illegal workers, as long as these workers are treated fairly then it is detrimental to a countries economy to kick them out. however if a nationalistic government wants to appear tough on immigrants and foreigners then illegal workers are an easy target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Thai Ron said: For 30-40K a month? Hardly worth it, is it? depends on expectations and lifestyle. for me no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodknock Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 dog and pony show way to add more to brown bag!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonmoon Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, bannork said: A Thai friend of mine has a car care business. He employed Mon workers from Myanmar, 3 days ago they all had to quit due to no work permits. They've gone back to try to get legal, how much it's going to cost is still uncertain but my friend swears by them. Hardworking and on time. They couldn't believe it when he gave them a New Year bonus last year. As he said, Thais don't want to do dirty , hard or dangerous work, not that I would put car cleaning in any of those categories! Strange and yet Thais r working as car cleaners and construction workers in more developed countries. Its not Thais cannot get down n dirty, its the pay that determines if they want to get down to it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Moonmoon said: Strange and yet Thais r working as car cleaners and construction workers in more developed countries. Its not Thais cannot get down n dirty, its the pay that determines if they want to get down to it or not. Good point, though reliability is a factor too. The Hard Rock Cafe in Siam Square won't employ Thai musicians because they can't be sure they'll turn up every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Moonmoon said: Strange and yet Thais r working as car cleaners and construction workers in more developed countries. Its not Thais cannot get down n dirty, its the pay that determines if they want to get down to it or not. Yes, it is a good point. EG, the huge number of Thai fruit-pickers in Scandinavia and Portugal. Very highly regarded, in Portugal they are strongly preferred over other nationalities...reliable, hard-working, easy going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Slavomir said: Bad news for digital nomads? Nope. When the article doesn't even mention us this seems more definitive proof to me that we aren't classed as working here (common sense to many but apparently not some thaivisa poster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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