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2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Please find me a definition of a subsidy that says it can be self financing, off the government budget, not require any financial and management accounts, and yet still be funded by tax payers money? I'm waiting

 

 

Answer a question with a question. :sleepy: Classic avoidance. Just a simple reply to say you made a mistake will do. Thank you. 

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Just now, Eric Loh said:

Answer a question with a question. :sleepy: Classic avoidance. Just a simple reply to say you made a mistake will do. Thank you. 

 

Don't be so silly. 

 

Do you see the difference between the Shin Rice Scheme and the agricultural subsidies offered by this, previous and many other governments around the world?

 

Nothing to do with avoidance. If you can't see why the was taken off budget, touted as self financing, and seemingly without any accounting, then you're either blind or don't want to.

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5 hours ago, maxpower said:

Go on go on, bore us with the twisted details and satisfy your appetite to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

Actually not arguing for the sake of arguing (but you my like to throw that at some others here).

 

I made a comment which I believe is very true and very relevant.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Answer a question with a question. :sleepy: Classic avoidance. Just a simple reply to say you made a mistake will do. Thank you. 

 

'Classic avoidance'.

 

Well you know very well how to do that el. 

 

(Struggling to keep up your post count el?)

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I guess the impending verdict on Boonsong,  Poom et al who are clearly as guilty as hell of facilitating the fake G2G rice sales is likely to impact the way the verdict goes in Yingluck's case.   In fact, it would have been logical to wait for the verdict in the other case before charging Yingluck.  If the others are guilty the case for convicting her of dereliction of duty seems much stronger as it will be very clear that serious fraud was committed by her ministers and others while she was both prime minister and chairman of the rice policy committee, even though she rarely attended meetings of the latter.   However, the NAAC and the prosecutors have made clear from the outset that there is no connection between the two cases.  That is a strength and a weakness, since it doesn't help Yingluck avoid conviction, if Boonsong and his co-conspirators get off and conversely should not help the prosecution's case, if they are convicted.  

 

On the other hand, there is earthly reasonable way that Boonsong and friends can escape conviction, unless the NAAC and the prosecutors have completely ballsed up the case (perhaps deliberately).  So the greater likelihood is that 1) Boonsong et al will be convicted and 2) even though this shouldn't legally effect the ruling on Yingluck, it is hard to imagine that it wouldn't.  So I think that things are not looking good for Yingluck's chances.  However, the good news for her is that the new constitution gives her the automatic right to appeal, which her brother could not - hence his sudden interest in Olympic sports just before the verdict.  Whatever happens in this ruling, the case will drag on for years, as whichever side loses will appeal.   Personally I think the right to appeal should be given only for crimes committed after the new rules came into effect but that is not the case here.    

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hopefully they will have heaps of toilet paper available because a hell of a lot of sh*t will be coming out of her mouth, will be interesting to see if she can actually stick to the subject at hand and not go off on one of her tangents as per usual, will be good for a laugh at least

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Yingluck plans(1) to make(2) her own(3) closing statement. Three blatant lies in one short sentence: she 'plans', she will 'make',  write,  her own 'statement', or any, by herself? Only the ones worshipping could, eventually, believe any of this!It, alas, tells a lot about her 'personality', or rather the lack of it, IMO. Sadly, this lady has been used and abused by Thaksin for the sake of the Shins' tribe, but, at least for what her political 'career' is concerned, for her, the remote-controlled puppet/clone, to come out pretending she is able to 'plan' something, to 'make'-write a 'statement' by herself, and that this would be 'her own' choice of content, is quite arresting. And when she would be able to, one could ask why she has never really done so, when it mattered, when she was PM, when she was 'heading' the Rice Committee, when she could have done 'the right thing', taken personal initiatives, ...like only to decide to attend the sessions of Parliament when important subjects were on the table, or to lead (...by being there) Government cabinet meetings when important decisions had to be made, to be at least a couple of times present at a meeting of the Rice Committee she had 'chosen' to chair!

 

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It should be supposed that Yingluck is a mature, educated, responsible person. Let's not come back to the, erm, 'circumstances' which have put her on top of the PTP list of candidate-MPs, BUT she decided to accept to become Thailand's PM, and she later 'chose' (well, at least accepted) to chair the Rice Committe. Accepting to be(come) the puppet/clone, of any individual or group of people, to be kept away/absent from every important/risk-factor meeting(*), that, IMO, is dereliction of duty, on a much larger scale than about the rice scam she is being judged about today, or even high treason, taking into consideration the oath she pledged...

(*) For me, keeping Yingluck away, making her to be absent, from anything of importance that could make her clearly involved in, or have an obvious responsibility in, was clearly, all the time, part of a meticulously designed strategy, aimed at, probably, protecting her little person from being compromitted in (maybe later made) 'questionable' decisions, and, for sure, avoiding her to possibly take some kind of personal initiative which would possibly compromit any of the plans forged by Thaksin and his Shins' clan.

Now to all her sympathizers, fans, worshippers: when you consider Yingluck a mature, educated, responsible person, when you are honest, you can't escape the logical conclusion she has done wrong, in all of her political 'career', till today (being so-called 'barred'...) and deserves to be punished for it, in a way corresponding to the high level of functions she accepted to carry.   

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1 minute ago, bangrak said:

 

Now to all her sympathizers, fans, worshippers: when you consider Yingluck a mature, educated, responsible person, when you are honest, you can't escape the logical conclusion she has done wrong, in all of her political 'career', till today (being so-called 'barred'...) and deserves to be punished for it, in a way corresponding to the high level of functions she accepted to carry.   

No, she made mistakes, she adopted and pursued bad policy. That doesn't make her criminally liable or negligent, any more than the current mob for their even more abysmal policies and extravagances.

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4 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

In respect of honesty, integrity, fair play, decency, commitment to the community...YL runs rings around both the junta and the so-called Bangkok elite.

'Prbkk', please spare us the 'red' rhetoric, like the worn-out 'But, but, look at what the others do'! It is not about what the junta and the so-called Bangkok elite has been, is, doing, ...or hasn't done, isn't doing (no excuse for them either IMO). Here, it is about Yingluck, and what she didn't do, or should have done, as a MP, as the PM, as the chairwoman of the Rice Committee, and, today, as a barred politician. And: 'honesty, integrity, fair play, decency, commitment to the community': who then? Yingluck? You can't be serious! LOL 

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7 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

No, she made mistakes, she adopted and pursued bad policy. That doesn't make her criminally liable or negligent, any more than the current mob for their even more abysmal policies and extravagances.

Yes, 'Prbkk', yes, it makes her criminally liable and negligent! As it should, and IMO will some day be, for what you call 'the current mob' and (hopefully all) 'abysmal policies and extravagances' they might be involved in! Why are you guys locked up into that 'whether/or' kind of defence? Would it damage the coloured fences you entrench yourself behind to consider, eventually admit, that many, many people do disagree with, condemn, all the wrongs which have been, and are, done by anyone, whoever it might be, from all political parties, all colours of movements, or uniforms? 

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2 hours ago, Prbkk said:

In respect of honesty, integrity, fair play, decency, commitment to the community...YL runs rings around both the junta and the so-called Bangkok elite.

She said 'I am the PM of Thailand". Let us assume that was true. She then allowed a fugitive criminal access to cabinet meetings and to dictate policy for his own benefit.

Where does that fit in with " integrity, fair play, decency, commitment to the community."

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On 7/7/2017 at 3:52 PM, Bluespunk said:

Those who benefited were lucky. 

 

Many weren't. 

As far as I know all the farmers got paid for their rice until and maybe after the coup. The west has big subsidies and they are at 100% loss to the taxpayer every time, nobody going to jail for that.

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The whole rice scheme is nothing more than an irresponsible platform to win election. The scheme was wrong at the start before it was implemented. How rice could be put under mortgage at price so much higher than market price. Money used to pay for this scheme is taxpayer money. How could taxpayer money be spent like this? This scheme should have been stopped for long before it had caused huge loss to the country budget. Only irresponsible politicians who can do such a devastating damage to the country without any sign of repentance.

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On 7/7/2017 at 4:21 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

The other subsidies were on budget, included in the governments budget and had accounts.

 

This was off budget, apparently with no accounts but was assured to be self financing. 

 

Can you see the difference Eric?

That would be the first subsidy that I have ever heard of that would be self funding. Do you know what a subsidy is?

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37 minutes ago, Grubster said:

As far as I know all the farmers got paid for their rice until and maybe after the coup. The west has big subsidies and they are at 100% loss to the taxpayer every time, nobody going to jail for that.

They got paid until the forces of darkness threatened, cajoled, harassed and blackmailed the banks into stopping payments.

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37 minutes ago, Grubster said:

As far as I know all the farmers got paid for their rice until and maybe after the coup. The west has big subsidies and they are at 100% loss to the taxpayer every time, nobody going to jail for that.

Many across the country were not paid, some committed suicide and it was only after the pt/suthep debacle resulted in a coup, that many were paid. 

 

Those that were, were the lucky ones. Clearly that was the experience of those you know of. 

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34 minutes ago, Grubster said:

As far as I know all the farmers got paid for their rice until and maybe after the coup. The west has big subsidies and they are at 100% loss to the taxpayer every time, nobody going to jail for that.

actually no they didnt, that was also a big problem as the were demanding their money that was not forth coming for many months before the coup even started, one of the reasons the ptp tried to get a massive loan from China for trillions of baht so it would cover their butts and give them more to hide away. After the coup the ptp were supposed to have allowed for the money to pay the farmers before leaving office but they  didnt, this is why the ones that necked themselves are on her head, the farmers were eventually paid by the new govt.

 

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3 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

They got paid until the forces of darkness threatened, cajoled, harassed and blackmailed the banks into stopping payments.

that is pure bullsh*t and you know it, many were not paid before well before the coup or suthep and his crazies even started.

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1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Many across the country were not paid, some committed suicide and it was only after the pt/suthep debacle resulted in a coup, that many were paid. 

 

Those that were, were the lucky ones. Clearly that was the experience of those you know of. 

You are wrong.

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'Bluespunk', 'seajae': 'Grubster' writes: 'You are wrong', period! Don't waste your time with such characters, who, in reality, think 'I am right, so you are wrong', don't expect any such to have an atom of sense of relativation, they are the cannonfodder used by all kinds of obtuseness and extremism alas roaming on the planet since humanoids pollute it. Let's just stop posting in reaction of their blabber. For what the present matter is concerned, let him/her live further in his/her Thaksin good, the Shins good, the redshirts good, PTP good, all the rest bad, kind of stuff. There are persons reason(ing) cannot reach, and even specialists-in-the-human-psyche in the end decide just to administer medication to. That such characters don't have the ability to understand we are against any/every wrong done by anyone, red, yellow, blue, green, brown or white, to say it in colours, we have to live with: you are not with me, then you are against me is their mantra, leave them for what they are, hopeless.

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1 hour ago, Grubster said:

You are wrong.

On which point?

 

If you are referring to the ineptness of pt's rice scheme management and their catastrophically idiotic attempt to control world market prices, which in turn led to their complete and utter failure to pay for rice they took, then I am not. 

 

Far from it. 

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1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

On which point?

All your points in your last post, all the farmers were paid until after the coup, the suicides escalated a lot after the coup, The new PM has only made small cash payments to farmers, nothing to do with the rice scheme.

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8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

On which point?

 

If you are referring to the ineptness of pt's rice scheme management and their catastrophically idiotic attempt to control world market prices, which in turn led to their complete and utter failure to pay for rice they took, then I am not. 

 

Far from it. 

They paid for the rice they took, they allowed much of it to rot and to be stolen, the taxpayer paid for a rice subsidy, let me know of which subsidy in any country that has been self supporting or profitable, subsidies are handouts plain and simple.

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