sanukjim Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 13 hours ago, canuckamuck said: They have a strap you can pull to drop to your death? What could go wrong? Sympathies to the relatives, this shouldn't happen. And of course the parachute sail operators had all the proper insurances along with their fail safe harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 When undertaking such a risky activity, is the entire responsibility on the operator? IMHO, the customer also should be knowledgeable /experienced to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICECOOL Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I notice they were blame shifting from the beginning. RIP mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 clearly the crew is not at fault and will be released later without bail and no charges. The police will conclude ywt another foreigner deliberately used the parasailingas a method for suicide and we won't hear anymore about it. Seriously though! I have never parasailed but i didn't know they would have a quick release so easily accessible while in the air... Csn any experts put forth their kkowledge on this to clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Walden Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I have seen people in Phuket Patong Beach being dropped into the tree that line the beach road and then slide down to the ground. "bang crash". On one occasion when I witnessed the towing boat operator was calling out to his assistant "Is she dead" she did sort of sit up after a while, then after 20 min walked away to go to hospital, nice young lady...yes alive (thick as 2 planks) TIT.?..they boat operators think it's funny. If the wind drops, speeds up or changes direction when trying to land a customer on the beach well anything can happen TIT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penicillin Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Maggusoil said: Ever since doing some hastily trained for parachute drops in Australia, I have a natural distrust of this excitement technology. Everyone was so jazzed at the whole thing and I was thinking why are people so happy, I had only just "grasped" the emergency procedures and I was the most together of about 10 people. Six months later they "bounced" a student. To death. It can happen anywhere. He obviously wasn't trained properly. This should be a general warning to others, PARTICULARLY in places like Thailand. Take a look at the people "selling" the rides and make a choice. Anyway, I'm also 70 and I was contemplating doing some of this, but you have to choose your venue with care. And by the way to those a. holes who scoff at "us" septuagenarians having fun, I can swim two lengths of a 30 meter pool underwater on one breath hold and surf 8-10 foot waves on a short board so think again about "old" age. Something else is also possible in Asia that keeps me young besides tai chi and yoga, but I won't go into that. 5555555 You are not old. Your in good shape and the number associated with your age (in your case especially) is not indicative of an elder. Those of us that never quit life at the gym, sea or 25 / 50m lap pool, will (with a bit of luck) undoubtedly continue to make our lives an adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guderian Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 14 hours ago, canuckamuck said: They have a strap you can pull to drop to your death? What could go wrong? Sympathies to the relatives, this shouldn't happen. It brings this old Far Side cartoon to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 hmmm......surprised this hasn't happened before.... given the gold standards of safety observed by the operators of these things( just sit for a few moments on Pattaya's main beach and watch the parasailing....if you don't believe me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I have done parasailing a couple of times and seriously you cant just fall out of one of those harnesses, firstly you put it on like a pair of trousers, stepping into a loop for either leg, the harness does up around your chest and under your arms etc. There is a release mechanism across your chest, but this is not really accessible due to the life jacket on top. Even if you release the mechanism your body weight is still holding you in the harness , you would need to tip upside down to then come out of the harness. I have watched the clip 20 times now and it would appear that the guy, instead of dangling from the main chute straps as you are supposed to, appears to have the main straps under his arms. Although its not clear, it appears the guy still has the harness on when falling, which to me would suggest he has maybe gone into a mad panic and tried to get off, unclipping the shoulder cleats etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I am a bit puzzled how he died by just falling into the sea???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realfunster Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Tragic event, quite harrowing to watch the video and must have been awful for his wife to watch things unfold. Be interesting to hear from a harness expert - which I am not - but the video does possibly suggest the groin straps were not fastened. I can see a strap underside his bum, but nothing around the legs or groin to provide a 'seat' to hold his weight. There appears to be two loose straps flapping around either side of his groin. The gentleman would then have had the parasail pulling up on his shoulders but no support underneath. Possibly manageable with arms tight at chest level but as soon as they were moved or raised above head height, gravity will take over. At 2.30 in the vid, I believe you can see him put his arms out sideways which is immediately followed by his slip from the harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyLambo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 RIP bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, wvavin said: I am a bit puzzled how he died by just falling into the sea???????? Really? 70m drop into shallow water? Not puzzling at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 34 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said: clearly the crew is not at fault and will be released later without bail and no charges. The police will conclude ywt another foreigner deliberately used the parasailingas a method for suicide and we won't hear anymore about it. Seriously though! I have never parasailed but i didn't know they would have a quick release so easily accessible while in the air... Csn any experts put forth their kkowledge on this to clarify? When you posted you were wrong already: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurene Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Surely there should be a safety lock thing on that is screw locked. you can be sure that the glider safety boat sped out to him and they just pull him in, maybe he had quite a few breaks and poss brocken neck they would just pull him in and cause the death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcpattaya Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Suddenly the video disappeared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fore Man Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I am an ex-skydiver & military freefall parachutist, and former FAA Master Parachute Rigger as well with over 5,200 jumps made and I suspect suitably expert enough to comment on the technical aspects of this case. In the late 80s and early 90's, my best friend, a civilian realtor and waterskiing partner, asked me to do some research and to procure for him a quality parasailing rig. I did so, he paid for it and this launched us on a wonderful and exciting new adjunct sport that combined our two respective action sports into one. I carefully laid out a safety SOP, inspected and repaired the chute periodically and conducted a brief training class for anybody that we launched for a ride around our medium-sized lake located in Orange County, Virginia. Fortunately we were the only parasailing rig in use on that lake and we also declined to launch during busy periods when several ski boats were operating. We made hundreds of launches, flights and recoveries, all made without a single problem. The keys to this success were a sound, proper harness, using two assistants to spread the canopy during launch and a powerful ski boat to provide strong acceleration. At the end of the ride, the boat driver simply headed upwind, chopped power, which allowed the chute to float down and the rider simply splashed down into the water. The chute provided sufficient forward airspeed to ensure it settled onto the water behind the rider. The boat would then circle around and retrieve the rider once we'd shifted the transmission into neutral. The harness we we used was a special full saddle seat type, which allowed the rider to sit back in a relaxed manner and enjoy the ride. But it also featured two full length, adjustable diagonal back straps that ran diagonally across the whole back and one fixed-length cross strap that ran across the small of the wearer's back. These three pieces of webbing ensured the rider could not fall backwards and thus out of the harness. A good harness will also have an adjustable cross strap on the chest that gets cinched down and the free end rolled and placed under a 1-inch elastic keeper. All other adjustable harness free ends also were retained by such keepers. We also used aircraft grade snaps that were fixed spring-loaded types and had no quick-fit ejector releases such as are found on modern skydiving rigs. There was thus no way a rider could undo his harness easily once it was under tension from the chute and forward motion of the boat. A person bent on suicide or a dumb stunt could however undo the leg straps that were clipped into seat saddle, push off of the webbing saddle and plunge vertically downwards. Some parachute harnesses designed for skydiving do not employ a saddle seat, but independent leg straps. In this latter design, the jumper has no convenient saddle to sit in but is simply suspended vertically. Their design too can be found in parasailing harnesses. The video of the incident at Phuket doesn't adequately show the full harness design, but my assumption is that if it featured diagonal back straps and a lower cross strap in the back, they weren't sufficiently cinched down and loose ends properly stowed...or the design had no diagonals or lower cross strap at all, and the poor gent simply fell backwards out of his harness with nothing but his leg straps to keep him in. Once he fell upside down in his harness, those leg straps certainly wouldn't be sufficient to retain his weight aloft against gravity and he fell into the ocean. From 70-meters, even a splashdown into a deep water area could still be fatal. At the speed he impacted, that water is akin to concrete. The only other explanation I can think of is that a stitching failure occurred and the webbing separated, which caused a loss of integrity in the harness. The webbing itself is normally 2-inch nylon rated at 5,500 pounds tensile strength, but is dependent on the quality, stitch design and integrity of the nylon thread used to sew it together. This was indeed a tragic incident and I suspect entirely due to a combination of shoddy materials, a poor, inadequate harness design and likely to an atrocious lack of safety standards that should have been imposed in this cottage industry. May Mr. Hussey Rest In Peace and I hope his bereaved wife and family can put this tragic incident behind them and remember the man for his goodness and character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster11 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I saw something similar happen at Kata beach about 8 years ago. Someone plunged into the water on parasail from a great height. Don't know how badly hurt they were. No death reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerostar Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 From the video it appears there was no crutch strap which I think should be mandatory for any rides like this. He probably slipped out of the strap across his behind and he only had two handles with which to hang on. The assistant guy does some strange movement to get his legs above the victim, possibly putting extra weight on his shoulders.. He wasn't strong enough to hold on with his arms and had to let go. Poor bugger RIP mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fore Man Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, xerostar said: From the video it appears there was no crutch strap which I think should be mandatory for any rides like this. He probably slipped out of the strap across his behind and he only had two handles with which to hang on. The assistant guy does some strange movement to get his legs above the victim, possibly putting extra weight on his shoulders.. He wasn't strong enough to hold on with his arms and had to let go. Poor bugger RIP mate Yes, I agree...the Thai outrider may have well been a contributing or major cause of the incident. I would never go aloft with anyone positioned like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabula Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 When I was in Pattaya a while back I was on the floating parasail platform watching the lineup to get harnessed up. A woman about 25, was put in a harness, but the boat took off before the harness fitting was completed. The Thai guy fitting the harness jumped up on her shoulders and off they went to maximum height! The nutter driving the boat went the usual route with the other hero sitting on her shoulders. I could not get my head around the stupidity. The boat operator should have dropped them both in the water immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siameaze Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Riders on parasails are supposed to be passive and not have to adjust anything. Reports I saw on The Nation said the "helper" in the shrouds was working on the clip...not the rider. There is no concept of safety checks and when something goes wrong demy and lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindfulness Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 ... and if the high speed rail trains ever become reality you won't get me on one of those either. Image the workmanship of the 'high speed rail tracks'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogozy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I see the full lenght of the video. It is very clear, the wellow shirt crew did not strapped the passenger around his legs, there were only a bottom heveder, and it was not in correct position, so the man slipped out from the harness, after the parasail canopy lifted him. Passenger can not open the clips under is weighted by his body, after take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirat69 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 16 hours ago, canuckamuck said: They have a strap you can pull to drop to your death? What could go wrong? Sympathies to the relatives, this shouldn't happen. Surely they are stringing us along...obviously no ropey Safety Inspectors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyrobot Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Maybe that hook realease is in case you land in the water and need to get out of the harness before you drown ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenifer d Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Sheryl said: Good grief. When I did this (eons ago, when still young) only the paying customer went up. I think even then, I would have balked at going up with someone balancing on the strings above me. Bizarre.,,and as we have just seen, of no help should anything go wrong. each time i've gone up in Thailand, there was a worker who also grabbed on behind to help steer, etc; when i went up in Puerto Vallarta Mexico, no worker up with me (but them again, it was a reward for sitting through on interminable time share pitch, next time i vowed to skip the pitch and pay the money) have gone up at least 3 times in Patong, they strap very tightly top and bottom, so if there was slack or no bottom tightness then that is a problem in how they strapped him in; there should not have been an easy way for him to disengage himself- this is error by the operators, not the customer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdoc Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, xerostar said: From the video it appears there was no crutch strap which I think should be mandatory for any rides like this. He probably slipped out of the strap across his behind and he only had two handles with which to hang on. The assistant guy does some strange movement to get his legs above the victim, possibly putting extra weight on his shoulders.. He wasn't strong enough to hold on with his arms and had to let go. Poor bugger RIP mate According to the SMH, the straps between his legs were left undone... Australian tourist Roger Hussey falls to death while parasailing in Phuket, Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, Siameaze said: Riders on parasails are supposed to be passive and not have to adjust anything. Reports I saw on The Nation said the "helper" in the shrouds was working on the clip...not the rider. There is no concept of safety checks and when something goes wrong demy and lie. "Riders on parasails are supposed to be passive and not have to adjust anything." Agree. That was certainly the case when I parasailed in Cha Am many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 15 hours ago, halloween said: I remember a video clip of a parasail, in Bali IIRC. The guy, quite fat, tripped as the boat took off and was dragged down the beach on his gut before the sail lifted him. He had lost a fair bit of skin, so the boat slowed and dipped him in the water, must have stung a bit because he was squealing like a stuck pig. Squealing like a stuck pig is always a good sign, means you're not dead!! The silent ones are in trouble.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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