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Yes ofc the bargirl are being exploited. Their salary is between 3000 to 9000 bht. They need to sell xx drinks to get fully paid or need to go with customers to get the barfine for the boss. When a customer buys a drink  she needs to sit with them and the customer can ofc touch her where he wants during that time. If she doesnt allow the customer that she will get salary cut etc etc etc. Even if boss knows shes been drunk night before or had customer she will cut on salary if she comes 5 minutes late. The rules are many and more than you yourself could imagine. So to make money she needs to do xxx. So no , no bargirl is only working as Selling drinks lol, whatever anyone is telling you

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6 hours ago, elgenon said:

Very rare I would think. Definitely not easy.

 

What does the OP mean by a "bar girl" . A girl at a bar beer makes small money. A girl at an a go-go might have a monthly salary of 10,000 - 14,000 per month. Plus whatever additional she can earn. Some guys throw out crazy numbers. Some girls might hit it once in a while but most girls don't make much. But it still is decent money if you have no other prospects.

 

Some of the girls in the go-gos in Pattaya have the chance to do 10 days on 10 days (or up to her) off. But have to sell a certain number of drinks to be able to take time  off. It is a boring, stressful, tiring life. They girls get worn out and often their personality changes and they become hard. They often have to deal with jerks. A hot girl I know wanted to take time off to be w her kid. She was lucky to have an English guy buy her 6 drinks and another bought her 4. She got to take time off. Normally they get about 2 days off a month. This does not coincide with their periods.

 

A friend of mine who has a masters degree and works for the government in research makes 8,000 a month. But has some perks. No perks for bar girls. No health care or retirement. They are necessarily freelancers or the bar would be involved in prostitution which is illegal. Some bar girls have degrees (not from top unis as their family is poor) but found they make very small money in a regular job.

 

I am friends with several girls whose fathers are in bad shape and they try to pay for better hospital care for him. No, they do not ask me for money. These are real people trying to do the best they can. Wereas a government worker might get free health care for their family.  Although a friend who works for the BoT had to pay for the quality health care her dying mother received. 

 

No perks for bar girls.

Seriously? :cheesy:

 

What about getting bought out of the bar for a week or more to have a beach holiday, everything paid for, including whatever they want to eat, and in some cases whatever alcohol they want to drink. Plus, of course, the fee negotiated on top of that.

I know one that had a holiday in Germany on a temporary boyfriend.

 

Many get bought out for the duration of whichever boyfriend is in Thailand, even if they don't go to the beach etc, and they might have 2 or 3 boyfriends visiting at different times.

 

Even when just one night, they normally get dinner and breakfast.

 

seems pretty perky to me.

 

BTW, "bargirl" is a generic term for a girl that works in a place that sells alcohol and is available to go out with customers, regardless of if she works in a barbeer or a gogo.

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11 minutes ago, sead said:

Yes ofc the bargirl are being exploited. Their salary is between 3000 to 9000 bht. They need to sell xx drinks to get fully paid or need to go with customers to get the barfine for the boss. When a customer buys a drink  she needs to sit with them and the customer can ofc touch her where he wants during that time. If she doesnt allow the customer that she will get salary cut etc etc etc. Even if boss knows shes been drunk night before or had customer she will cut on salary if she comes 5 minutes late. The rules are many and more than you yourself could imagine. So to make money she needs to do xxx. So no , no bargirl is only working as Selling drinks lol, whatever anyone is telling you

I don't think you know many bargirls.

Some do indeed only work in the bar for wages, drinks and tips, and being touched does not apply to "anywhere". While it might go on in gogos, I doubt it is normal in any barbeer, considering there is a bar between them and the customers. Any customer wanting a feel would have to have very long arms.

If your rules applied in Chiang Mai, most would not get any wages as many bars have less customers than girls at the moment.

 

Exploited- oh that old urban myth. They don't have to work in a bar. They can work in a sweat shop or the rice fields if they don't want to work in a bar, as do millions of Thai women.

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9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't think you know many bargirls.

Some do indeed only work in the bar for wages, drinks and tips, and being touched does not apply to "anywhere". While it might go on in gogos, I doubt it is normal in any barbeer, 

considering there is a bar between them and the customers. . Any customer wanting a feel would have to have very long arms.

 

Not in any of the zillions of barbeers I have been to in forty years.

 

Maybe I should research this a bit more?

 

Mind you there have been one or two places where the girls were in cages. They were certainly a little out of reach.

 

Indeed that statement leads me to believe you have hardly been in any barbeers.

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There are all kinds of bars in Thailand employing all kinds of girls that will do and not do all kinds of things. Anything that you have ever thought of has taken place in a bar somewhere in Thailand.

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3 hours ago, smotherb said:

Well now, in a local girlie bar where sexpats drink Chang, never buy ladies drinks and want a short-time for B500, you may be right. However, there are many upper-class and Jap/Kor bars where a girl can make >B5k a short time and B300-B500 a drink. A good looking massage girl in Danok can get three or four customers a day; more if she works O/T.  And don't forget those who hit the jackpot and find a farang to marry.

There is  thousands of bars lady's in thailand ok , I agree some could make that money sometimes but the average have no hop and that type of money is made in the  Peak times , not all year round.

To me the place is a joke that those lady's have to sell their selfs to make money, but that is thailand not much I can do about or do I want to try and fix it , like Thais say up you .

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3 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

There is  thousands of hookres in thailand ok , I agree some could make that money sometimes but the average have no hop and that type of money is made in the  Peak times , not all year round.

To me the place is a joke that those lady's have to sell their selfs to make money, but that is thailand not much I can do about or do I want to try and fix it , like Thais say up you .

 

This is NOT a Thai issue.

 

In Germany, where everybody can get a reasonably paid job with security, the prostitutes' organization Hydra puts the number at 400,000 working girls.

 

Jus' sayin'

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3 hours ago, 12DrinkMore said:

 

Presumably not a retired UK expat on a 28k/month state pension.

 

 

No, usually farangs who can legally stay here

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2 hours ago, Thaidream said:

 

 

The life is hard and can lead to mental illness; alcoholism; or drug addiction.Contrary to popular belief- most are not having fun at all and most do not even like sex.  To make any money you have to go with the good, the bad and the ugly and sometimes accept humiliation and even violence. Then there is the danger of HIV- I know of 3 girls who have died of AIDS. It does exist contrary to popular opinion that they are all checked and 'safe'. The business owners naturally keep it all quiet .  Most of the girls do not last all that long. A few years at the most and then new 'babies' brought into the trade.  There are some sideline girls who work at day jobs and join the trade at night to make extra money.

 

Life is hard, is it? Boring most likely for the average bargirl. Have you considered that girls with mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction were that way inclined before they ever set foot in a barbeer/ gogo? How many have you interviewed out of the thousands that are in the job to come to your conclusions? I have met a few that were crazy or alcoholic, but the job didn't make them that way. Most are just normal women wanting an easy way to make more money than they would in a sweat shop.

Don't like sex- 5555555555555555555555. Perhaps they just don't like the person they are with, which is not going to be a turn on.

Humiliation and violence? That's more a western thing. Out of the small number of bargirls I polled, none said they had violent customers. Violence is FAR more likely to come from their Thai boyfriends if they don't give them enough money to go drinking with their buddies.

HIV- yes, if the girls are stupid enough to allow sex without condoms. Unfortunately, stupid people in every walk of life.

Business owners keep it quiet- LOL. How many customers ask the mamasan if the girl has aids? Only a fool would assume a bargirl was devoid of STDs.

Most of the girls do not last all that long

Most bargirls only do it to make enough money and then they leave. Or they didn't make as much money as they thought they would, or they found the farang husband they wanted, or they just wanted to do something else. I knew one that gave it up to be a maid, but hated doing that, and went back as a service girl.

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8 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

There is  thousands of bars lady's in thailand ok , I agree some could make that money sometimes but the average have no hop and that type of money is made in the  Peak times , not all year round.

To me the place is a joke that those lady's have to sell their selfs to make money, but that is thailand not much I can do about or do I want to try and fix it , like Thais say up you .

Never said the average b-girl can make it, she has to be smart and have that marvelous product.

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14 minutes ago, 12DrinkMore said:

 

Not in any of the zillions of barbeers I have been to in forty years.

 

Maybe I should research this a bit more?

 

Mind you there have been one or two places where the girls were in cages. They were certainly a little out of reach.

 

Indeed that statement leads me to believe you have hardly been in any barbeers.

Coyote bar dancers don't go with customers.

The first bar I went to in Chiang Mai had a girl I bought a drink for that didn't go with customers.

There was a post on a C M thread about a bar that has girls that don't.

I have been in enough barbeers in my time, but I only chatted to one of the girls in each so I can't speak for the other 10,000 girls that I didn't chat to.

 

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19 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

There is  thousands of bars lady's in thailand ok , I agree some could make that money sometimes but the average have no hop and that type of money is made in the  Peak times , not all year round.

To me the place is a joke that those lady's have to sell their selfs to make money, but that is thailand not much I can do about or do I want to try and fix it , like Thais say up you .

Just curious, but do you also object to sex workers in your home country doing what they do?

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14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just curious, but do you also object to sex workers in your home country doing what they do?

Yes I can't stand it in my own country.

you can say Thais have  excuse  because of no work in thailand.

But in my country there is no excuse for them to be working lady's .

Just looking for  easy money or drug money.

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23 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

A successful bargirl, i.e. one who gets lots of ladydrinks and barfines, can easily make 100,000 a month.

And a very damaged liver I'd suspect

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