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On 8/30/2017 at 7:28 PM, bbpbbp said:

 

No more koh kong crossing with car without PP document since last week. Even when you are ready to pay (bribe) any price.

 

Malaysian got documents at PP after 3 days and then were allowed to come back to pick up their car at KK to drive to PP.

 

Not sure how long it will last but since 1 week Thai cars are not allowed at KK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting and disturbing.

 

Question:

 

Where did you need to go in Phnom Penh to get the documents, what did they need to see to issue the paperwork, and how much did it cost?

 

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On 8/30/2017 at 7:28 PM, bbpbbp said:

 

No more koh kong crossing with car without PP document since last week. Even when you are ready to pay (bribe) any price.

 

Malaysian got documents at PP after 3 days and then were allowed to come back to pick up their car at KK to drive to PP.

 

Not sure how long it will last but since 1 week Thai cars are not allowed at KK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you absolutely sure that Thai cars aren't allowed? 

 

I have a feeling that they treated the Malaysian cars differently and they probably told them they wanted to go all over and to Phnom Penh with their car.

 

It has always been like this, but all you had to do in the past was to lie to them that you only wanted to stay in Koh Kong province and just drive wherever you wanted to after you're in Cambodia.

 

I would be shocked if they stopped Thai cars from entering into Koh Kong province as Thailand has basically just, unofficially anyway, relifted the ban on Cambodian cars to travel anywhere in Thailand.

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2 hours ago, doctorproc156 said:

Are you absolutely sure that Thai cars aren't allowed? 

 

I have a feeling that they treated the Malaysian cars differently and they probably told them they wanted to go all over and to Phnom Penh with their car.

 

It has always been like this, but all you had to do in the past was to lie to them that you only wanted to stay in Koh Kong province and just drive wherever you wanted to after you're in Cambodia.

 

I would be shocked if they stopped Thai cars from entering into Koh Kong province as Thailand has basically just, unofficially anyway, relifted the ban on Cambodian cars to travel anywhere in Thailand.

exactly;  i asked a friend who lives in kk ,he went to the border and asked and they told him same same 100 baht/day

 

seems  BBpbbp has a hard time with the facts   55555

 

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On 9/6/2017 at 5:40 PM, phuketrichard said:

exactly;  i asked a friend who lives in kk ,he went to the border and asked and they told him same same 100 baht/day

 

seems  BBpbbp has a hard time with the facts   55555

 

I went to Koh Kong with my Thai car in Sep 2017 and was allowed in no problems, same as usual. I did see a Malaysian car parked in no man's land that wasn't allowed to cross the border. On the same day, I saw 5 Malaysian cars heading towards Koh Kong as I was driving towards Sihanoukville. I thought that was a bit unusual having just seen a Malaysian car refused entry there. Perhaps these cars were the ones who had to get official documents from PP? On my way back into Thailand a few days later, I saw some Malaysian registration docs held at Cambodian customs, perhaps part of the same group. So, it could very well be that Malaysian and other non-Thai cars are now banned from entering Cambodia at Koh Kong. In fact, it's likely always been that way just that Cambodian customs turned a blind eye to the practice in the past.

 

More recently, I went to Trat and saw a few Cambodian cars driving on the road coming from the Hat Lek border just as one usually sees if going that way. No way Thailand would let Cambodians in freely while Thai cars are banned from Cambodia.

 

Keep in mind also that the Malaysians apparently require an RFID on all cars entering the country from Singapore and since last year Thailand. I also understand all non-Thai cars may need a carnet, in practice meaning that Cambodian cars can't enter Malaysia. Since the change in Thai custom laws in 2016 a Cambodian car must return through the same border crossing entered (actually this was already the case previously, but may not have been enforced) and this can only be through a Thai-Cambodian crossing. Cambodian cars can't cross the Thai-Lao border or any other border crossing other than ones directly from Cambodia. I understand pretty much the same rules apply as for Thai cars - Koh Kong/Hat Lek and O'Smach/Kap Choeng (Chong Chom) are the crossings allowed. Pong Nam Ron (Ban Pakkard)/Prom is a maybe. I have seen Thai cars on the Cambodian side there including in Pailin while I have also spotted the occasional Cambodian plate in Chanthaburi, presumably coming from Ban Pakkard. Poipet works for Thai cars exiting; for entering Cambodia only for travel to the casino. Thai trucks and buses use this crossing as part of an official agreement. Cambodian cars may be allowed to enter Thailand provided they stay within Aranyaprathet district.

 

There is also a new Thai/Cambodian border crossing now at Phnom Dai (Banteay Menchay)/Ban Khao Din (Sa Kaeo). According to the Bangkok Post this border just opened on March 30th this year i.e. a few days ago. I'd be curious to know if cars are allowed to cross there.

 

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On 4/2/2018 at 9:44 PM, jimster said:

I went to Koh Kong with my Thai car in Sep 2017 and was allowed in no problems, same as usual. I did see a Malaysian car parked in no man's land that wasn't allowed to cross the border. On the same day, I saw 5 Malaysian cars heading towards Koh Kong as I was driving towards Sihanoukville. I thought that was a bit unusual having just seen a Malaysian car refused entry there. Perhaps these cars were the ones who had to get official documents from PP? On my way back into Thailand a few days later, I saw some Malaysian registration docs held at Cambodian customs, perhaps part of the same group. So, it could very well be that Malaysian and other non-Thai cars are now banned from entering Cambodia at Koh Kong. In fact, it's likely always been that way just that Cambodian customs turned a blind eye to the practice in the past.

 

More recently, I went to Trat and saw a few Cambodian cars driving on the road coming from the Hat Lek border just as one usually sees if going that way. No way Thailand would let Cambodians in freely while Thai cars are banned from Cambodia.

 

Keep in mind also that the Malaysians apparently require an RFID on all cars entering the country from Singapore and since last year Thailand. I also understand all non-Thai cars may need a carnet, in practice meaning that Cambodian cars can't enter Malaysia. Since the change in Thai custom laws in 2016 a Cambodian car must return through the same border crossing entered (actually this was already the case previously, but may not have been enforced) and this can only be through a Thai-Cambodian crossing. Cambodian cars can't cross the Thai-Lao border or any other border crossing other than ones directly from Cambodia. I understand pretty much the same rules apply as for Thai cars - Koh Kong/Hat Lek and O'Smach/Kap Choeng (Chong Chom) are the crossings allowed. Pong Nam Ron (Ban Pakkard)/Prom is a maybe. I have seen Thai cars on the Cambodian side there including in Pailin while I have also spotted the occasional Cambodian plate in Chanthaburi, presumably coming from Ban Pakkard. Poipet works for Thai cars exiting; for entering Cambodia only for travel to the casino. Thai trucks and buses use this crossing as part of an official agreement. Cambodian cars may be allowed to enter Thailand provided they stay within Aranyaprathet district.

 

There is also a new Thai/Cambodian border crossing now at Phnom Dai (Banteay Menchay)/Ban Khao Din (Sa Kaeo). According to the Bangkok Post this border just opened on March 30th this year i.e. a few days ago. I'd be curious to know if cars are allowed to cross there.

 

 

I believe Malaysia allows all cars that are part of ASEAN in without any extra documentation, I have seen Lao cars there and on the Borneo side of Malaysia I have seen Indonesian cars too.

 

So basically according to your updates, it seems like nothing much has changed, even though all the ASEAN member states and the Southern Chinese provinces have already signed agreements to allow unrestricted access to all cars from all the signatory countries.

 

Nothing new anyway, to be expected....

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On 4/30/2018 at 11:07 AM, doctorproc156 said:

 

I believe Malaysia allows all cars that are part of ASEAN in without any extra documentation, I have seen Lao cars there and on the Borneo side of Malaysia I have seen Indonesian cars too.

 

So basically according to your updates, it seems like nothing much has changed, even though all the ASEAN member states and the Southern Chinese provinces have already signed agreements to allow unrestricted access to all cars from all the signatory countries.

 

Nothing new anyway, to be expected....

Not true anymore. The Malaysians require Singaporean and Thai cars to have an RFID chip but according to the websites below, this may have been delayed until very recently. Very surprised Lao cars have been to Malaysia. Anyway, the past is the past but now they would need an RFID chip too as they need to enter through Thailand.

 

Of course Indonesian cars can be seen coming into Malaysian Borneo as they are neighboring countries. They too will be subject to the RFID chip requirement in due course.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-to-issue-vehicle-entry-tags-next-month

 

https://vep.jpj.gov.my/#/

 

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/04/05/vehicle-entry-permit-system-in-effect-end-of-april-at-causeway/

 

Forget about the southern Chinese agreement - Thailand has stopped Chinese cars from entering without permission since June 27, 2016. This applies to vehicles from all countries except neighboring countries, Malaysian, Lao and Singaporean registrations. Myanmar does not allow in foreign registrations and probably never will (except if going on a tour or for limited travel near the border). Vietnam only allows Lao registrations in; Cambodian ones for local travel, other registrations need to go on a tour.

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On 8/30/2017 at 7:28 PM, bbpbbp said:

 

No more koh kong crossing with car without PP document since last week. Even when you are ready to pay (bribe) any price.

 

Malaysian got documents at PP after 3 days and then were allowed to come back to pick up their car at KK to drive to PP.

 

Not sure how long it will last but since 1 week Thai cars are not allowed at KK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did the Osmach crossing in June,no probems

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On 8/29/2017 at 5:46 PM, phuketrichard said:

LOL 

Hold a 3rd world country passport and see how "easy" it is to go live in America, than get back  to me about how hard it is to live in Thailand or Cambodia
 

What you wrote is true, but consider the economic impact of those who come to America to pick tomatoes and perform other low-wage jobs, to the very positive impact that foreigners have on Thailand's economy. There is quite a difference in economic impact, and that would be abundantly  clear if the 
"Thailand for Thais" crew got their wish granted.

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On 10/30/2018 at 5:41 PM, phuketrichard said:

I did the Osmach crossing in June,no probems

I also did the Osmach crossing in June without issue; also went that way back in November 2017. No one was even at the hut so I drove straight through. This was a little after 2pm. Came back through Poipet/Aranyaprathet as usual, when I enter at O'Smach. Haven't been to Koh Kong since September 2017 and will probably stick largely with Osmach entries for the simple reason that it's less hassle and costs less. Going via Koh Kong, you have to plan very well - last couple of times I drove to Vietnam, driving as far as the Cambodian/Vietnam border then switching to my friend's car on the Vietnamese side. I planned my trips in advance and knew exactly how long I'd be staying, hence I would pay that amount to Koh Kong customs and then return back the same way I came on that very date. None of this is necessary at O'Smach.

 

I doubt Cambodia will ever sign a private cross-border transport agreement with any of it's neighbors so this ridiculous situation will remain - after all, if Laos could manage an agreement with Thailand in 1998 and 20 years later Cambodia is still dragging it's feet it means it's never going to happen (for private traffic). Before you know it, we'll enter the electric cars era and then the self-driving era and then driving across borders, or even locally as we do now will be finished. A lot of things will change in the next 2-3 decades and it will be nothing like anyone has experienced so far.

 

Enjoy the relative freedom of crossing the border by car now, it won't last.

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